Tag: supernatural

This week on the pod… as a follow up to Urban Legends and a final hoorah for Halloween, Jacob and Reese travel beyooond the graveee to bring you a very special Halloween day episode all about ghost stories. The pair discuss the trend of shortest scary stories, butt stabbings, horror tropes, ghost hunting, and the spooky-ooky feeling of being all alone.

For a final halloween treat, for the first time on the podcast today’s episode features a very special guest to tell us a ghost story of her very own… our friend Vivian!

The Allure of Ghost Stories: A Conversation Between Friends

Have you ever felt a chill run down your spine at the end of a ghost story, or been mesmerized by the mystery of a tale where the unexpected lurks around every corner? Ghost stories have the power to engage us on many levels, and their unique charm continues to capture the imagination of many. In this article, we’ll explore a casual conversation between friends on what makes a ghost story genuinely captivating.

A Twist in the Tale

The best ghost stories often come with a twist that leaves the reader or listener utterly aghast. It’s the unexpected cliffhanger or the wild twist that can transform a simple tale into something unforgettable.

“You wanna just be like, oh my God, no. ‘Cause then you’re just left with that foreboding feeling of, oh shit. I’d love that.”

The ability to stir these emotions is one of the trademarks of a great ghost story.

A Modern Take on Ghosts

Today’s ghost stories have evolved, and the way we perceive and represent ghosts has changed over time. Some stories depict ghosts as demonic entities, while others portray them as lost souls.

“It’s like one going into becoming a demon. We need a demonology episode at some point.”

These new dimensions add complexity to the tales and reflect our modern-day fears and fascinations.

Crafting the Atmosphere

A ghost story needs to be unsettling yet quiet, playing with pacing to create an unnerving effect without resorting to gore or overstimulation.

“It should be understated. It should make you feel like you’re alone. Isolation.”

In contrast to fast-paced, flashy horror, the real power of a ghost story lies in its subtlety and ability to create a sensation of isolation, sadness, or tragedy.

Personal Connections

Listening to ghost stories from those close to us adds a layer of authenticity that can make them more gripping. Personal experiences, family tales, and heartfelt narrations often resonate deeper.

“It’s a lot different when you hear something from someone you trust.”

These intimate experiences give a different flavor to the stories, making them all the more engaging and terrifying.

Ghost stories are not just about the supernatural; they are about emotions, pacing, innovation, and personal connection. They play with our fears, our feelings of isolation, and our endless curiosity about the unknown.

This friendly conversation about ghost stories reflects the universality of the topic and how it resonates with different people. From modern takes to the quiet, unsettling nature of these tales, ghost stories continue to be a fascinating part of our culture.

If you ever find yourself around a campfire or in a dark room with friends, don’t hesitate to share a ghost story. The chills, the twists, and the emotional connections might just make it a night to remember.

 

Transcript:

Start Timestamp	End Timestamp	Transcript
00:00,000	00:02,580	(upbeat music)
00:02,580	00:15,320	I forgot I turned that off.
00:15,320	00:16,360	Okay, hi.
00:16,360	00:17,200	For real time.
00:17,200	00:18,760	– Hello.
00:18,760	00:20,120	– Welcome to That Which Doesn’t Kill You.
00:20,120	00:20,960	Today.
00:20,960	00:22,400	– Yes.
00:22,400	00:23,480	Today.
00:23,480	00:24,320	– We.
00:24,320	00:25,140	– Are.
00:25,140	00:25,980	– Talking.
00:25,980	00:27,080	– About.
00:27,080	00:27,920	– Ghosts.
00:27,920	00:28,740	– Ghosts.
00:28,740	00:31,400	(both laughing)
00:31,400	00:36,040	– It’s a scary wind at night.
00:36,040	00:36,880	– Oh, okay. – That makes you think
00:36,880	00:37,700	of a ghost.
00:37,700	00:39,560	– You looked really funny while doing that though.
00:39,560	00:41,220	That wasn’t scary, it was funny.
00:41,220	00:44,520	– That is the meanest thing you’ve ever said to me.
00:44,520	00:45,360	– I doubt it.
00:45,360	00:47,480	– While wearing my hat, no less.
00:47,480	00:48,320	– Thank you.
00:48,320	00:49,160	(both laughing)
00:49,160	00:50,360	My head was cold.
00:50,360	00:51,680	– Oh no, is it the fan?
00:51,680	00:53,240	Do we need to turn the fan off?
00:53,240	00:55,480	– No, I washed my hair before coming here,
00:55,480	00:57,800	so, but I didn’t dry it.
00:57,800	01:00,060	just in a vat of ice cubes.
01:00,060	01:02,100	– Yeah. – I get it, I get it.
01:02,100	01:03,560	– Yeah. – I get it.
01:03,560	01:05,980	– Don’t you know, if you go outside
01:05,980	01:09,580	without drying your hair, you can get a headache and die.
01:09,580	01:10,820	– That’s so true.
01:10,820	01:12,500	But this is not about urban legends.
01:12,500	01:14,300	This is about ghosts.
01:14,300	01:16,060	– Not urban legends, it’s real.
01:16,060	01:19,460	(both laughing)
01:19,460	01:22,180	– Talking about ghosts. – Talking about it.
01:22,180	01:25,220	You’ve got some ice breakers prepared for us today.
01:25,220	01:26,500	– Yes. – You want it,
01:26,500	01:27,340	What was it?
01:27,340	01:29,180	Shortest scary stories ever?
01:29,180	01:30,100	– Ever.
01:30,100	01:31,020	– Okay, I’m excited.
01:31,020	01:31,940	I’m ready to go.
01:31,940	01:35,940	– The last man on earth sat alone in a room.
01:35,940	01:38,780	There was a knock on the door.
01:38,780	01:39,800	– No.
01:39,800	01:44,700	Maybe it was that ghost in the wind from earlier.
01:44,700	01:47,980	– Well, you know what I thought of when I read that?
01:47,980	01:52,260	I was like, is it a woman at the door?
01:52,260	01:54,620	– Is it a gender nonconforming entity?
01:54,620	01:55,460	– Yeah.
01:55,460	01:59,980	– That is very astute observation.
01:59,980	02:02,740	– And this was written by Frederick Brown.
02:02,740	02:04,220	– Frederick Brown.
02:04,220	02:06,740	– Originally published in 1948.
02:06,740	02:09,820	– Damn, he didn’t even think about women.
02:09,820	02:11,500	– No, he’s like only on my end.
02:11,500	02:12,860	– Maybe that was his point.
02:12,860	02:15,820	Maybe he’s like a visionary thinker.
02:15,820	02:16,660	– Deep dive.
02:16,660	02:18,900	(laughing)
02:18,900	02:23,900	And it’s the origin of the two senses,
02:23,900	02:28,900	of the two sentence Gary story challenge.
02:28,900	02:31,980	– Oh, that was the origin of it?
02:31,980	02:33,060	Interesting.
02:33,060	02:36,220	– According to Google.
02:36,220	02:37,040	– That’s very interesting.
02:37,040	02:39,060	I had not heard that one, I don’t think,
02:39,060	02:42,020	but I did hear the one about the baby shoes,
02:42,020	02:44,580	which is what I originally thought you were talking about.
02:44,580	02:45,980	– Yeah, I was not.
02:45,980	02:47,260	– You know that one though, right?
02:47,260	02:48,100	– No.
02:48,100	02:52,500	– Okay, so it’s like, add in the paper,
02:52,500	02:55,180	– Baby shoes, never worn.
02:55,180	02:57,620	‘Cause it’s like the baby was like stillborn.
02:57,620	02:59,420	So like they never put the shoes on.
02:59,420	03:01,660	– Oh.
03:01,660	03:02,660	– So it’s like really sad.
03:02,660	03:03,960	‘Cause like the baby died.
03:03,960	03:06,660	– Not funny.
03:06,660	03:07,500	– Stop laughing.
03:07,500	03:08,780	(laughing)
03:08,780	03:09,620	– No, it’s not funny.
03:09,620	03:10,460	– Horrible person.
03:10,460	03:12,620	– No, I was telling you, I was like,
03:12,620	03:14,580	have you heard of the two cents horse story?
03:14,580	03:15,780	You’re like, oh, baby shoes?
03:15,780	03:16,620	I’m like, what?
03:16,620	03:17,580	(laughing)
03:17,580	03:18,420	No.
03:21,540	03:23,100	– And then the man opens the door
03:23,100	03:25,300	and there’s just some pair of baby shoes.
03:25,300	03:28,620	– Just standing there on their own,
03:28,620	03:30,340	tap dancing on the door.
03:30,340	03:32,660	– That would be scary.
03:32,660	03:33,540	– Honestly.
03:33,540	03:34,860	– Scary stories.
03:34,860	03:35,820	– The ghosts.
03:35,820	03:39,280	– We loved them.
03:39,280	03:40,700	Yes, you were like the wind.
03:40,700	03:41,780	(laughing)
03:41,780	03:44,300	– I don’t know why that’s my go to.
03:44,300	03:48,580	I think it’s because it’s hard to say the plural of ghosts.
03:48,580	03:49,420	– Ghosts.
03:49,420	03:50,740	– Ghosts.
03:50,740	03:52,140	– Ghosts. – Ghosts.
03:52,140	03:53,460	– Ghosts.
03:53,460	03:55,540	– Why are you adding extra S’s?
03:55,540	03:57,300	– Just the one S, ghosts.
03:57,300	03:58,140	‘Cause otherwise it just sounds like ghost.
03:58,140	03:59,820	– That’s like five S’s.
03:59,820	04:02,220	– I know, but I’m trying to say, wow.
04:02,220	04:04,940	I can’t believe you’re just like over here mocking me.
04:04,940	04:05,780	– That doesn’t feel like.
04:05,780	04:08,580	– On my pronunciation.
04:08,580	04:09,880	– I would never.
04:09,880	04:10,720	I didn’t.
04:10,720	04:13,260	– Roll the tapes, just now.
04:13,260	04:14,220	– You have no proof.
04:14,220	04:16,060	– Ghostlings is what I’m gonna go with.
04:16,060	04:18,480	– Oh, okay, make it cute.
04:18,480	04:20,340	I like it.
04:20,340	04:22,580	the only– that was your only short scary story?
04:22,580	04:27,180	-Yes. -(LAUGHTER)
04:27,180	04:29,760	I loved it. I just wanted to make sure.
04:29,760	04:33,520	I was like, “Let me not, uh, monopolize this.”
04:33,520	04:37,060	Two-sentence– two-sentence horror stories.
04:37,060	04:39,100	I can tell you a few more.
04:39,100	04:40,360	If you want to.
04:40,360	04:43,200	There was a picture in my phone of me sleeping.
04:43,200	04:45,080	I live alone.
04:49,320	04:50,860	– So today we’re talking about.
04:50,860	04:52,400	(both laughing)
04:52,400	04:56,760	– Ooh, my sister says that mommy killed her.
04:56,760	04:59,420	Mommy says that I don’t have a sister.
04:59,420	05:02,640	They just need to go to therapy.
05:02,640	05:04,160	– Yeah, I don’t know who to believe.
05:04,160	05:05,880	– Wait, these are longer than two sentences.
05:05,880	05:08,760	I can’t move, breathe, speak or hear
05:08,760	05:11,120	and it’s so dark all the time.
05:11,120	05:13,640	If I knew it would be this lonely,
05:13,640	05:16,120	I would have been cremated instead.
05:16,120	05:18,000	Oh, look, here’s a baby one.
05:18,960	05:21,840	I awoke to the sound of the baby monitor
05:21,840	05:26,280	crackling with a voice comforting my first born child.
05:26,280	05:28,520	As I adjusted to a new position,
05:28,520	05:31,320	my arm brushed against my wife sleeping next to me.
05:31,320	05:34,440	– So is it scary that they have a nanny?
05:34,440	05:36,800	– I know, so I was thinking, I would like to see a nanny.
05:36,800	05:38,080	– Or a grandparent. – We told you to go home.
05:38,080	05:39,960	– Or siblings. (laughs)
05:39,960	05:42,520	– My daughter won’t stop crying and screaming
05:42,520	05:44,640	in the middle of the night.
05:44,640	05:46,520	I visit her grave and ask her to stop,
05:46,520	05:48,920	but it doesn’t help. – Oh, that was a,
05:48,920	05:52,080	That was a little flip around.
05:52,080	05:55,000	You know, there’s a common thread amongst a lot of these,
05:55,000	05:58,000	other than the ghost slings,
05:58,000	06:02,220	which is like a lot of them are using the same like motifs
06:02,220	06:04,140	people do in like video,
06:04,140	06:06,400	like ghost paranormal videos and stuff.
06:06,400	06:08,280	– Yeah. Oh, this one’s good.
06:08,280	06:12,480	Cause it’s, if you have animals, you know.
06:12,480	06:15,120	Growing up with cats and dogs,
06:15,120	06:17,360	I got used to the sounds of scratching at my door
06:17,360	06:18,360	while I slept.
06:18,360	06:20,760	Now that I live alone, it is much more unsettling.
06:20,760	06:22,560	– That’s fair.
06:22,560	06:23,380	(laughing)
06:23,380	06:26,220	Yeah, that’s a, it’s pretty unsettling.
06:26,220	06:28,900	It reminds me of, you know that thing about like,
06:28,900	06:32,600	that I think it’s, is it a creepypasta I think?
06:32,600	06:33,720	Where it’s like,
06:33,720	06:38,180	the guy’s dog like licks his foot
06:38,180	06:39,920	under the covers or whatever,
06:39,920	06:42,380	and then he hears a noise and he goes out
06:42,380	06:44,920	and he finds his dog like murdered,
06:44,920	06:47,400	like outside of his house or whatever.
06:47,400	06:49,320	And basically the insinuation being
06:49,320	06:50,760	that somebody licked their foot.
06:50,760	06:52,360	(laughing)
06:52,360	06:54,440	– The real horror is the foot fetish.
06:54,440	06:57,600	– Whoever killed his dog licked his feet.
06:57,600	06:58,800	Have you heard that one?
06:58,800	07:05,200	It’s not a ghost, but I just thought it’d be.
07:05,200	07:07,460	(laughing)
07:07,460	07:11,480	– I don’t know what type of erotica you’re reading.
07:11,480	07:14,400	I don’t think this is the right place to talk.
07:14,400	07:15,240	(dog barking)
07:15,240	07:16,080	Ah!
07:16,080	07:17,520	(laughing)
07:17,520	07:18,960	She’s like, “Don’t say that about my–“
07:18,960	07:19,800	– Yeah.
07:19,800	07:21,080	(laughing)
07:21,080	07:22,200	– I stepped on her, I’m sorry.
07:22,200	07:24,200	– Aw, Mabel, calm down.
07:24,200	07:25,040	(laughing)
07:25,040	07:25,880	– She’s like, “I’m very upset with him.”
07:25,880	07:26,700	– Get over it.
07:26,700	07:28,600	(laughing)
07:28,600	07:29,800	Pretty girl, go lay down.
07:29,800	07:30,640	– Ooh.
07:30,640	07:34,440	(dog barking)
07:34,440	07:36,800	Can you not?
07:36,800	07:39,080	– I like a good ghost story.
07:39,080	07:39,920	– Yes.
07:39,920	07:41,400	– There’s just something like,
07:41,400	07:45,520	kind of like poetic about like a lasting memory
07:45,520	07:48,800	lingering in someone’s absence.
07:48,800	07:50,480	That is very beautiful to me.
07:50,480	07:52,360	– Yeah, that is a very lovely way of putting that.
07:52,360	07:54,040	I was just saying, I like being creeped out.
07:54,040	07:56,880	– That’s fair, except you won’t watch “Barbarian.”
07:56,880	07:59,560	– Not creepy, it’s gross.
07:59,560	08:00,740	(laughing)
08:00,740	08:02,300	There’s no ghosts.
08:02,300	08:05,240	– You wouldn’t know ’cause you haven’t watched it.
08:05,240	08:07,040	– Yeah, but I read about it.
08:07,040	08:07,880	– I don’t know why you would do that.
08:07,880	08:08,720	– Spoiler alert, there’s no ghosts.
08:08,720	08:10,560	– I don’t know why you would do that.
08:10,560	08:12,280	Just go into things cold.
08:12,280	08:13,640	– No, you know what it was?
08:13,640	08:16,960	I looked up the trailer, like when you sent it to me,
08:16,960	08:20,760	and I watched it, and I was like, hmm, okay.
08:20,760	08:25,720	And I have things that I don’t feel comfortable seeing,
08:25,720	08:28,480	so I was like, okay, let me make sure that’s not in there.
08:28,480	08:30,820	I don’t like eye trauma.
08:30,820	08:35,520	I don’t like fingernails or anything being ripped off.
08:35,520	08:36,760	I don’t really like those.
08:36,760	08:39,420	I don’t like people being in extended amounts of pain
08:39,420	08:42,060	for a long time, like the Saw movies.
08:42,060	08:43,040	I just wanna be scared.
08:43,040	08:45,760	– Well, a lot of gore in general, I just find.
08:45,760	08:46,920	Like, you know, I get it.
08:46,920	08:49,760	– Well, it’s funny because when,
08:49,760	08:51,220	the parts that I didn’t look at
08:51,220	08:53,600	when we watched the Evil Dead, like the remake,
08:53,600	08:55,200	like I didn’t watch those parts,
08:55,200	08:57,120	so I didn’t have it in my head, so I’m fine.
08:57,120	09:01,000	The other parts, like the friggin’ chainsawing people
09:01,000	09:04,280	and cutting things off and cutting off limbs,
09:04,280	09:05,640	I’m fine with that.
09:05,640	09:08,640	I think that’s, I think it looks really cool,
09:08,640	09:12,040	but it just depends on where people are getting it from.
09:12,040	09:16,320	– It’s like the intimacy of smaller details.
09:16,320	09:18,320	– That’s a good way to put it, the intimacy of it.
09:18,320	09:20,280	– When you’re dealing with people’s eyeballs
09:20,280	09:22,200	or you’re like sticking something in someone’s ear
09:22,200	09:23,880	or like underneath their nails,
09:23,880	09:26,120	like those are very intimate things.
09:26,120	09:28,480	– I’m getting goosebumps, you just saying.
09:28,480	09:30,380	– And well, they’re parts of our body.
09:30,380	09:32,400	We don’t let other people mess with.
09:32,400	09:33,240	– Yes.
09:33,240	09:34,120	– You know what I mean?
09:34,120	09:37,420	People hug, people touch arms,
09:37,420	09:41,960	like it’s a macro idea of just chopping someone’s head off.
09:41,960	09:43,520	Like, it’s different. – Well, it’s like
09:43,520	09:46,460	Michael Myers ran around and instead of chopping people up,
09:46,460	09:48,220	he just like smacked their asses.
09:48,220	09:49,740	– Yeah. – Be okay with that.
09:49,740	09:53,020	– Do you remember the– – The butt stabber?
09:53,020	09:54,840	– Yeah. – Yeah.
09:54,840	09:57,940	That’s very unfortunate. – I told you I saw him, right?
09:57,940	09:59,900	– What, no. – Okay, so–
09:59,900	10:01,620	– Wait, was it at Pentagon City Mall?
10:01,620	10:02,660	– No. – (gasps)
10:02,660	10:03,980	– I swear I saw him. – Wait, was there another one?
10:03,980	10:06,060	– I swear I saw him because I,
10:06,060	10:10,640	so I used to work near a certain metro stop
10:10,640	10:12,700	and I was at a Dunkin’ Donuts,
10:12,700	10:14,780	I don’t know if people can geo locate that,
10:14,780	10:16,460	then there’s a lot of Dunkin’ Donuts out there.
10:16,460	10:17,380	– Near Metro.
10:17,380	10:20,620	– So I was at a particular Dunkin’ Donuts
10:20,620	10:23,100	and I saw this guy who really unnerved me,
10:23,100	10:25,580	which is why I remembered him.
10:25,580	10:27,820	‘Cause with my aphantasia and everything,
10:27,820	10:29,220	I don’t remember what people look like,
10:29,220	10:31,660	I don’t have a mental image of them.
10:31,660	10:33,620	– Which is fascinating in and of itself.
10:33,620	10:35,420	– I was so unnerved by this guy
10:35,420	10:38,380	that when I saw his photo that same day
10:38,380	10:42,800	on like Fox 5 or whatever, talking about him.
10:42,800	10:46,160	I remembered him because it would have been that day
10:46,160	10:47,000	that I’d seen him.
10:47,000	10:50,320	– Okay, okay, so you can recognize.
10:50,320	10:53,160	– Yeah, so I was like, that’s that dude
10:53,160	10:55,260	that I was like, that’s a creepy dude.
10:55,260	10:59,600	And I mean, and it was very unnerving.
10:59,600	11:00,840	If it had happened the other way around,
11:00,840	11:02,760	I probably wouldn’t have remembered him.
11:02,760	11:06,240	Like, I don’t think if I had had the Fox 5–
11:06,240	11:07,480	– Maybe you saw that first.
11:07,480	11:10,480	Yeah, if I had seen the representation of him,
11:10,480	11:12,520	like the drawings, you know, like the drawings,
11:12,520	11:14,020	-like the suspect drawings. -Yeah.
11:14,020	11:16,320	If I had seen that first and then saw Creepy Dude,
11:16,320	11:17,520	I wouldn’t have been like,
11:17,520	11:19,200	“That looks like that guy that was on Fox 5.”
11:19,200	11:20,400	-I would have been like– -Yeah, there would have been
11:20,400	11:21,740	-no association for you. -Yeah.
11:21,740	11:23,160	It would not have connected.
11:23,160	11:26,320	But it was very unnerving after realizing that.
11:26,320	11:30,920	And so that one has always been a little creepy.
11:30,920	11:34,620	What is your favorite thing about, like, a good ghost story?
11:34,720	11:38,800	I like something that will,
11:38,800	11:42,640	like, it’ll be like the last sentence of a story
11:42,640	11:44,000	or something where it’ll be like,
11:44,000	11:47,680	and then da-da-da, like some type of a cliffhanger
11:47,680	11:51,880	or like a crazy twist.
11:51,880	11:55,960	I wanna just be like, oh my God, no.
11:55,960	11:57,960	‘Cause then you’re just left with that like,
11:57,960	12:01,200	foreboding feeling of, oh shit.
12:01,200	12:02,040	I’d love that.
12:02,040	12:03,480	– Well, and I think that speaks to,
12:03,480	12:09,120	Like I was saying, like that kind of like, um, like out of place, like temporal vibe
12:09,120	12:13,180	of ghost stories being like, there is no beginning, there is no end.
12:13,180	12:16,820	This is like a, uh, something lost in space and time.
12:16,820	12:21,200	You did something, a demon enters you or enters your space, right?
12:21,200	12:24,720	And then there’s a way, hopefully, to get rid of it.
12:24,720	12:26,200	And like some ghost stories are like that.
12:26,200	12:29,960	I feel like modern day ghost stories are more like that, where they’re basically treating
12:29,960	12:33,320	ghosts like you would a demon.
12:33,320	12:37,720	But I feel like a good old-fashioned ghost story is like, they just happen to be here.
12:37,720	12:39,200	They’re not fucking with you.
12:39,200	12:41,320	They’re not like trying to scare you necessarily.
12:41,320	12:45,360	Then you get into like poltergeist, which is kind of like bridges the gap between the
12:45,360	12:46,360	two.
12:46,360	12:47,360	Yeah.
12:47,360	12:49,000	It’s like one going into becoming a demon.
12:49,000	12:50,000	Yeah.
12:50,000	12:53,000	Ooh, we need like a demonology episode at some point.
12:53,000	12:54,000	Oh, yes.
12:54,000	12:58,200	This is all, I mean, it’s all very, you know, these kinds of interests are the same things
12:58,200	13:01,800	that I talk about on the channel, Killing Jar, YouTube.
13:01,800	13:02,800	Thank you.
13:02,800	13:03,800	But–
13:03,800	13:07,040	What’s something you like in a– in a ghost story?
13:07,040	13:09,340	I think there’s– I mean, I think there’s a lot of, like,
13:09,340	13:13,340	levels to ghost stories specifically…
13:13,340	13:16,380	-Mm-hmm. -…that are different
13:16,380	13:19,920	from something like a slasher or a demon or–
13:19,920	13:21,860	-Yeah. -You know, like, a ghost story,
13:21,860	13:24,520	I feel like, has to have a really good control
13:24,520	13:26,400	of pacing for it to be good.
13:26,400	13:29,700	It has to be unsettling, but kind of quiet.
13:29,700	13:32,360	-Yes, I want to be unnerved. -Quiet, unsettling. Yeah.
13:32,460	13:35,140	as opposed to, like we were saying,
13:35,140	13:37,340	you don’t wanna be grossed out necessarily by a ghost story
13:37,340	13:38,260	’cause it doesn’t make sense.
13:38,260	13:40,900	– No, ghosts can’t bleed.
13:40,900	13:43,500	– Right, or like when there’s like,
13:43,500	13:44,820	everything’s super fast-paced
13:44,820	13:46,780	and there’s like flashing lights and like all this stuff,
13:46,780	13:49,380	I’m like, that doesn’t make sense.
13:49,380	13:50,220	– Yeah.
13:50,220	13:51,060	– When you, you know, like a good–
13:51,060	13:53,260	– I’m a little overwhelmed for what you’re saying
13:53,260	13:54,100	and I’m not scared anymore. – Exactly.
13:54,100	13:56,180	It should be understated.
13:56,180	13:57,020	– Yes.
13:57,020	13:59,460	– And it should make you feel like you’re alone.
13:59,460	14:00,540	– Yes.
14:00,540	14:02,060	– And I think– – Isolation.
14:02,060	14:07,060	– Yes, I think that a good ghost story is about emotions
14:07,060	14:10,740	and is about being isolated, like you said.
14:10,740	14:14,800	Otherwise– – Or even they’re sad.
14:14,800	14:19,720	Like if it’s a ghost story that makes me feel sad,
14:19,720	14:21,680	I’m just like, “Oh, that’s tragic.”
14:21,680	14:23,360	I like that too. – Yeah.
14:23,360	14:25,600	So ’cause when I think of an angry ghost,
14:25,600	14:26,960	that’s when I start thinking about poltergeists
14:26,960	14:28,680	’cause they’re the ones pushing shit around
14:28,680	14:31,000	and actively trying to hurt people.
14:31,000	14:32,120	“Throw shit back at you.”
14:32,120	14:37,120	– Yeah, but a good ghost is just like sitting there
14:37,120	14:38,720	mourning or like,
14:38,720	14:42,460	you know, just feeling her feels.
14:42,460	14:43,640	Do you have any favorites?
14:43,640	14:44,960	Like what’s your favorite ghost story?
14:44,960	14:49,960	– You know, there’s a lot I don’t remember specifics of,
14:49,960	14:53,760	but growing up, family, and even like I have friends
14:53,760	14:58,040	that have family that’s had ghost stories.
14:58,040	15:02,080	I like listening to ghost stories from people close to me.
15:02,080	15:03,040	– Yeah. – You know?
15:03,040	15:07,440	Like I remember Vivian’s mom stayed with us
15:07,440	15:12,000	for one weekend and we were just like sitting around
15:12,000	15:14,200	and just listening to her talk about
15:14,200	15:17,960	like stuff that she remembers that happened to her.
15:17,960	15:21,280	– Yeah. – And her family terrified me.
15:21,280	15:23,200	– It’s a lot different when you hear something
15:23,200	15:25,040	from someone you trust. – You know, yes.
15:25,040	15:26,600	– And you know like they’re not gonna be lying
15:26,600	15:28,880	– Well, in my step-mom,
15:28,880	15:32,440	I remember my step-mom telling me one time,
15:32,440	15:36,840	like, she’s like, “Yeah, me and my stepbrother
15:36,840	15:41,300	“and my stepsister, we were staying at some base.
15:41,300	15:44,760	“I forgot where, I think it was in Maryland.”
15:44,760	15:47,720	But she was saying like, she would hear somebody
15:47,720	15:49,700	like coming up the stairs, but she’s like,
15:49,700	15:52,080	“There was no one else in the house.”
15:52,080	15:54,380	Everyone else was upstairs in my room,
15:54,380	15:58,020	but she would hear going up and down the stairs.
15:58,020	15:59,440	I’m like, no, no.
15:59,440	16:00,780	(laughing)
16:00,780	16:02,140	– You’re like, get out.
16:02,140	16:03,400	– No.
16:03,400	16:05,140	– Well, that’s interesting ’cause there’s like,
16:05,140	16:08,580	I feel like there’s some core things
16:08,580	16:11,920	that people associate with a haunting,
16:11,920	16:16,020	especially when it comes to real life ghost stories,
16:16,020	16:20,260	creaking stairs and footsteps and stuff like that,
16:20,260	16:21,700	and then whispering.
16:21,700	16:24,800	and then you get into the kind of modern day stuff,
16:24,800	16:27,520	like cold spots and EMF readings.
16:27,520	16:30,400	And there’s a lot of kind of stuff that,
16:30,400	16:32,600	there’s stuff that can be explained away.
16:32,600	16:33,520	– Yes. – And then there’s stuff
16:33,520	16:36,100	that the only way you can explain it away
16:36,100	16:39,640	is if you tell somebody they’re wrong
16:39,640	16:41,520	or they’re lying or they’re crazy.
16:41,520	16:44,880	Like, no, you misunderstood what was happening.
16:44,880	16:49,880	– Yeah, like I can’t think of a way to explain this away
16:50,600	16:54,240	other than you’re lying or something like you said.
16:54,240	16:55,560	– And just ’cause something can’t be proven
16:55,560	16:56,960	doesn’t mean it’s not real.
16:56,960	16:58,680	There’s a whole lot of stuff
16:58,680	17:00,720	that people used to think was witchcraft
17:00,720	17:02,760	that we just consider science and magic,
17:02,760	17:05,600	or magic is just medicine now.
17:05,600	17:09,420	So who’s to say we’re not gonna find out
17:09,420	17:13,700	some quantum theory of relativity?
17:13,700	17:15,880	– Like there are just energies abound
17:15,880	17:17,920	and they live in this alternate universe
17:17,920	17:19,080	and everyone knows.
17:19,080	17:26,560	Or even, I mean, the theory of time itself, not to get too science-y, is that it’s a dimension
17:26,560	17:27,560	of space.
17:27,560	17:34,040	Like, it’s a concept that we see it as having a beginning and an end, because that’s just
17:34,040	17:35,040	how we perceive it.
17:35,040	17:38,160	But in actuality, it’s not linear.
17:38,160	17:46,840	So who’s to say that we can’t somehow, in all of the trillions of neurons, can’t perceive
17:46,840	17:54,040	something that can’t be measured by, you know, a copper wire in a machine. So yeah, I’m I’m
17:54,040	18:04,680	not going to discount anyone’s stories. We are contacting a living spirit live on the
18:04,680	18:05,680	podcast.
18:05,680	18:08,260	(upbeat music)
18:08,260	18:16,580	– Also, this is Vivian.
18:16,580	18:18,620	(laughing)
18:18,620	18:20,420	– Oh wait, you’re recording me right now?
18:20,420	18:21,360	– Yes. – Yes.
18:21,360	18:23,660	– Welcome to the podcast.
18:23,660	18:25,300	– Hi, thank you.
18:25,300	18:26,220	(laughing)
18:26,220	18:28,020	– Our first guest.
18:28,020	18:30,940	– I actually have a couple stories,
18:30,940	18:32,980	but one, when I was thinking about it,
18:32,980	18:35,340	I didn’t realize how many stories I had.
18:35,340	18:39,440	I mentioned talking to your mom and being like, oh my god.
18:39,440	18:41,240	– Yeah, my mom has a lot of creepy stories.
18:41,240	18:43,300	There’s a lot of new creepy stories too
18:43,300	18:45,060	that my sister was telling me about,
18:45,060	18:46,800	about their house in Texas.
18:46,800	18:47,960	– Oh.
18:47,960	18:51,560	– Which I knew about some of them,
18:51,560	18:53,720	but she also told me a couple things
18:53,720	18:56,840	about our other house in Kingstown.
18:56,840	18:58,640	– What? The Kingstown one?
18:58,640	19:01,200	– Yeah, I didn’t know about this.
19:01,200	19:03,840	We were talking about it last time she was over here.
19:03,840	19:08,840	And I told her to stop telling me things.
19:08,840	19:10,840	I was like, “Please, now is not the time.
19:10,840	19:12,840	Tell me when it’s daylight.”
19:12,840	19:15,840	And I was like, “Oh my gosh, I’m going to be a lot louder.”
19:15,840	19:19,840	I loved listening to her tell those stories.
19:19,840	19:20,840	Okay, tell us one.
19:20,840	19:24,840	So, this happened twice.
19:24,840	19:27,840	So, it was over 15 years ago.
19:27,840	19:29,840	We were living in Florida.
19:29,840	19:37,120	And we were in, when we first moved to Florida, we lived in an apartment.
19:37,120	19:39,920	And we were waiting for our house to be built.
19:39,920	19:43,480	So we were just living there for like a year or so.
19:43,480	19:51,080	But one night I was in my bedroom and I was just like sitting there and I kept hearing
19:51,080	19:54,520	the weird noise by my window.
19:54,520	19:59,560	So my bedroom window faced our front door of the apartment.
19:59,560	20:05,280	So when you walk into the apartment to the left was my bedroom door or my bedroom window.
20:05,280	20:10,480	And so one night I kept hearing noises from my window.
20:10,480	20:14,760	So I knocked on my parents’ door and they’re like, “You’re being paranoid.”
20:14,760	20:15,760	I’m like, “No.”
20:15,760	20:16,760	I don’t know.
20:16,760	20:22,760	I don’t think like I was paranoid somebody was like trying to break into the house.
20:22,760	20:23,760	Right.
20:23,760	20:24,760	Yeah.
20:24,760	20:25,760	I’m not worried about ghosts at this point.
20:25,760	20:26,760	Yeah, I know.
20:26,760	20:27,760	I’m worried about real people.
20:27,760	20:29,800	And I just kept hearing like weird noises.
20:29,800	20:34,720	And then I specifically remember I’m in my bed and I’m reading a book.
20:34,720	20:36,460	I wasn’t falling asleep.
20:36,460	20:38,360	I was like fully awake.
20:38,360	20:40,900	And this just sounds like really funny because it’s like
20:40,900	20:44,400	I feel like it’s like a stereotypical like movie goes down like
20:44,400	20:47,240	in a comedy ghost movie. Right.
20:47,240	20:52,200	But I just heard something go.
20:52,200	20:55,200	No.
20:56,840	20:57,840	Thank you. Good bye.
20:57,840	21:01,000	Oh my god, my spine just tingled.
21:01,000	21:03,200	I threw my book.
21:03,200	21:06,940	I ran to my parents room and I literally like burst in their room
21:06,940	21:08,240	and just fell on the floor.
21:08,240	21:10,040	My back was against their bed.
21:10,040	21:12,840	And my dad was just like, what happened? What happened?
21:12,840	21:14,440	And he like immediately goes and like
21:14,440	21:16,800	go and get his gun.
21:16,800	21:20,300	And he’s like searching around the apartment.
21:20,300	21:23,800	Because I just kept saying, like, all I can say was I heard a man
21:23,800	21:26,840	because it was just so deep of a voice.
21:26,840	21:30,680	Oh, no, that’s so scary.
21:30,680	21:32,480	Yeah, it was
21:32,480	21:36,080	the face Jacob is making.
21:36,080	21:38,480	It looks so concerned.
21:38,480	21:39,980	My parents
21:39,980	21:43,120	were really mad at me after that.
21:43,120	21:45,220	They were just like, you know, you’re being paranoid.
21:45,220	21:46,460	You have to stop on his period.
21:46,460	21:47,920	I was just like, I wasn’t watching it.
21:47,920	21:49,220	I was reading my book.
21:49,220	21:50,420	Yeah.
21:50,420	21:52,560	And I was just sitting in bed.
21:52,560	21:55,020	And yeah, so.
21:55,020	21:56,440	– Ooh, that is scary.
21:56,440	21:59,880	– A few years go by,
21:59,880	22:03,460	and we’re now living in our house.
22:03,460	22:07,280	And my sister is,
22:07,280	22:08,760	she’s a toddler at this point.
22:08,760	22:10,520	I wanna say she’s like two, three.
22:10,520	22:11,360	– Aw.
22:11,360	22:12,180	(laughing)
22:12,180	22:14,680	– But in that house, one day,
22:14,680	22:18,280	my dad had left town and he was traveling for work
22:18,280	22:20,840	and it was just my mom, my sister and I.
22:20,840	22:25,560	And earlier in the day, my sister kept saying,
22:25,560	22:27,860	she was in her room and I was in,
22:27,860	22:29,560	I think I was in either the bathroom or my room,
22:29,560	22:32,480	’cause our hallway was just like my room,
22:32,480	22:34,640	the bathroom and then her room.
22:34,640	22:37,440	And she’s in there playing and then she comes running
22:37,440	22:41,080	to my mom and she kept saying like in Spanish,
22:41,080	22:43,080	like the girl, the girl.
22:43,080	22:45,640	And I was like, why?
22:45,640	22:47,400	Like my mom, and my mom came up to me,
22:47,400	22:48,680	she’s like, were you with your sister?
22:48,680	22:50,000	I was like, no, she was playing in her room
22:50,000	22:56,360	I was in my room and my mom just came up to me, she kept saying, “Nanana,” like the girl.
22:56,360	23:06,280	So I was like, “Oh, okay. That’s really weird.” So again, later in the day, my mom was sleeping,
23:06,280	23:12,640	my sister was sleeping, and I’m sitting in the living room and I’m watching TV and I
23:12,640	23:18,440	hear the exact same noise come from behind me in our living room.
23:18,440	23:21,360	And it’s like a totally new house.
23:21,360	23:24,040	I wasn’t sitting on, I mean, we had the same furniture
23:24,040	23:26,760	in a different room, but I wasn’t sitting in that room.
23:26,760	23:29,640	But I heard the same sound.
23:29,640	23:32,120	Like I’m sitting there watching TV.
23:32,120	23:34,040	I still remember I was watching.
23:34,040	23:36,080	I was watching Laguna Beach on MTV.
23:36,080	23:38,240	(laughing)
23:38,240	23:40,280	I’m sitting there and then all of a sudden
23:40,280	23:43,080	from behind me I hear, “Ugh.”
23:43,080	23:44,120	And like I–
23:44,120	23:45,440	– Ugh. – No.
23:45,440	23:46,840	– Jumped up. – I’m against it.
23:46,840	23:49,120	– I hate that so much.
23:49,120	23:51,280	– What is this nightmare that has happened?
23:51,280	23:54,160	So I run into my room and I tell my mom
23:54,160	23:56,400	and she’s just like super freaked out
23:56,400	23:58,980	and she like, we couldn’t explain it.
23:58,980	24:03,040	And I think later on that night, something else happened.
24:03,040	24:05,680	My sister’s swing turned on.
24:05,680	24:09,000	– La nana.
24:09,000	24:12,200	– Yeah, we were just all very confused.
24:12,200	24:15,240	And I kinda, it hasn’t,
24:15,240	24:17,140	Nothing like this happened since then.
24:17,140	24:20,240	But yeah, it was very creepy.
24:20,240	24:21,080	– Ooh.
24:21,080	24:22,440	– That is my…
24:22,440	24:23,280	– Those are really good ones.
24:23,280	24:25,640	– Yeah, that is absolutely horrifying.
24:25,640	24:26,920	– Yeah.
24:26,920	24:30,920	– It was, like, it was just, I don’t know,
24:30,920	24:33,440	but weird things like that happen to my family a lot.
24:33,440	24:35,520	More than I realize, I feel like,
24:35,520	24:36,600	like when I really think about it, I’m like,
24:36,600	24:39,000	wow, there’s a lot of things that happen to my family
24:39,000	24:43,180	and just like random, random things,
24:43,180	24:45,340	like in the house in Texas,
24:45,340	24:50,340	my parents would always hear banging.
24:50,340	24:53,940	That was like a thing that started happening a lot more.
24:53,940	24:56,060	– I feel like you can explain away banging
24:56,060	24:58,060	a lot of the times, especially like in a house.
24:58,060	24:59,180	– Yeah, yeah.
24:59,180	25:02,940	So what happened was my mom
25:02,940	25:08,820	was heard knocking on the garage door.
25:08,820	25:11,260	So it was the door that leads into the garage.
25:11,260	25:13,340	– Oh, she told me this, yeah.
25:13,340	25:16,820	– Yeah, so that was kind of a weird one.
25:16,820	25:17,660	‘Cause my mom was just like,
25:17,660	25:19,220	“Okay, so someone broke in the house.”
25:19,220	25:20,060	– Yeah, I was gonna be like,
25:20,060	25:22,140	at that point I’m afraid of a real person.
25:22,140	25:22,980	– Yeah. – I’m scared.
25:22,980	25:25,100	– That’s the thing, a lot of these stories
25:25,100	25:26,820	can come down to like,
25:26,820	25:30,860	it’s just as terrifying that it’s a real person.
25:30,860	25:33,300	I mean, like even if you look at like a lot of,
25:33,300	25:35,380	I’m gonna, every episode we’re gonna be talking
25:35,380	25:37,220	about the only videos that scare me,
25:37,220	25:39,540	which is real video, like real things.
25:39,540	25:42,940	– Those security footage of people walking around
25:42,940	25:44,500	strangers’ houses and stuff,
25:44,500	25:48,660	how many ghost stories are about things being moved
25:48,660	25:49,700	in the middle of the night?
25:49,700	25:51,820	That could end up just being…
25:51,820	25:53,140	– Yeah, yeah.
25:53,140	25:54,940	It’s very annoying.
25:54,940	25:55,780	– It’s very annoying.
25:55,780	25:56,600	– It makes it worse.
25:56,600	25:57,440	– Yes.
25:57,440	25:58,280	– And you’re like, “No, it’s not a ghost,
25:58,280	26:00,420	it’s a solid person.”
26:00,420	26:03,300	– Yeah, a solid person with real fists
26:03,300	26:05,300	who are gonna punch me to death.
26:05,300	26:08,300	– I’d rather be like, “Oh, hi, spirit Bob, how are you?”
26:08,300	26:09,140	(laughing)
26:09,140	26:10,180	– That’s spirit, Bob.
26:10,180	26:12,500	– That’s scary.
26:12,500	26:16,680	Oh, well, thank you so much for telling us
26:16,680	26:18,100	those horrible stories.
26:18,100	26:20,380	– Yes, definitely, thank you.
26:20,380	26:23,780	– I think I have heard you and or your mom
26:23,780	26:26,220	have told me these before and I probably blocked them out
26:26,220	26:27,300	’cause they were scary.
26:27,300	26:29,700	Now I’m gonna remember them all over again.
26:29,700	26:30,940	Thank you.
26:30,940	26:33,180	– You’re very welcome, any time.
26:33,180	26:34,920	I have so many.
26:34,920	26:36,020	(laughing)
26:36,020	26:37,380	– I’ll do an extended–
26:37,380	26:42,020	Yes, we’ll have to have you on like a as a full fledged guest at some point.
26:42,020	26:44,420	Yay, that’ll be fun.
26:44,420	26:45,220	Yeah, definitely.
26:45,220	26:46,340	I will speak to the people.
26:46,340	26:50,020	Thank you, baby. I’ll talk to you soon.
26:50,020	26:52,340	Thank you. Bye. Love you.
26:52,340	27:01,220	What an angel.
27:01,220	27:05,060	She is a perfection.
27:05,060	27:07,220	We must respect her at all costs.
27:07,220	27:10,260	Her and her daughter. Yes. And the spirits.
27:10,260	27:21,860	Scared. What a tale. Yeah. Yeah, no. That’s freaking scary. I 100% would rather it be a ghost
27:21,860	27:29,300	than a person. Oh, yeah. Knocking away at my door or breaking into my house. And moaning in my ear.
27:31,540	27:32,540	No, horrible.
27:32,540	27:35,140	Oh, those ones are good ones, though.
27:35,140	27:36,020	Yeah. Yeah.
27:36,020	27:39,660	Like, I have no explanation for that, except there’s just some scary shit.
27:39,660	27:40,100	Right.
27:40,100	27:43,540	Do you have a favorite, like, well-known ghost story?
27:43,540	27:51,060	I think in my in my history, I was always obsessed with quite a few different like
27:51,060	27:54,900	those like collections you would get at like the school library
27:54,900	27:58,740	that would be like ten most common ghost stories.
27:58,740	27:59,460	Yeah.
27:59,460	28:05,300	And I would most of the time they would have like the Winchester house, you know, which is why I
28:05,300	28:09,700	like added to the list. So I was like, well, that’s an interesting one. She’s old. She’s old.
28:09,700	28:18,420	It’s just so interesting that somebody could like, be so afraid of ghosts that they would like
28:18,420	28:23,460	refuse to stop building their house so that the ghost cannot find a way to like,
28:23,460	28:28,820	like what a concept. I can’t think of I mean, there’s definitely other places like
28:28,820	28:30,340	like bizarre places in the world.
28:30,340	28:33,100	But that’s definitely one that I think has become,
28:33,100	28:36,100	as far as ghost stories, has become such a commodity.
28:36,100	28:36,940	Like it’s such a–
28:36,940	28:38,900	– Well, and it’s so the,
28:38,900	28:43,900	I think a lot of what keeps that interesting and relevant
28:43,900	28:47,660	is that I can’t think of any other ghost,
28:47,660	28:49,020	any other like ghost story
28:49,020	28:53,340	where there is a physical manifestation of what,
28:53,340	28:56,780	I guess, these ghosts scared this person into doing.
28:56,780	28:58,540	– Yeah, definitely.
28:58,540	28:59,800	– Well, and it’s just so interesting,
28:59,800	29:02,680	like the kind of concepts and beliefs about like,
29:02,680	29:04,980	you know, like, I mean, things like,
29:04,980	29:06,660	like having a weird staircase
29:06,660	29:09,580	so that ghost can’t walk up here.
29:09,580	29:11,440	I’m like, the logic doesn’t make sense,
29:11,440	29:13,940	but maybe the logic makes sense to a ghost.
29:13,940	29:16,020	– They’re like, no, I can’t get there.
29:16,020	29:18,460	– And I can’t fight ghost logic.
29:18,460	29:19,940	Like I– – Don’t even try.
29:19,940	29:21,060	– You can’t even try.
29:21,060	29:23,380	What about ghost hunting?
29:23,380	29:26,780	– You wanna do it?
29:26,780	29:27,620	– No thoughts.
29:27,620	29:29,020	(both laughing)
29:29,020	29:31,220	Seems really dangerous to me.
29:31,220	29:32,340	– Does it?
29:32,340	29:33,420	– It does.
29:33,420	29:34,780	– How so?
29:34,780	29:36,120	– Just ’cause,
29:36,120	29:40,680	what if it’s, this also goes back to like,
29:40,680	29:44,680	what if it’s just a real person in this house somewhere
29:44,680	29:46,340	and they could kill me?
29:46,340	29:47,180	– That’s fair.
29:47,180	29:49,920	Well, I think a lot of ghost hunting is typically,
29:49,920	29:52,980	like people are inviting you to be there.
29:52,980	29:55,580	(both laughing)
29:55,580	29:58,780	I don’t think you just break into someone’s house and search for a ghost.
29:58,780	29:59,780	(laughter)
29:59,780	30:03,380	>> KRISTEN: I’m talking about like abandoned places.
30:03,380	30:07,180	>> JONAH: We went in two different directions.
30:07,180	30:08,180	(laughter)
30:08,180	30:09,180	>> KRISTEN: No.
30:09,180	30:14,620	>> JONAH: Yeah, I’m not talking about breaking into abandoned places.
30:14,620	30:17,660	I’m talking about just in general.
30:17,660	30:18,660	>> KRISTEN: Well…
30:18,660	30:21,620	>> JONAH: Places you’re allowed to be.
30:21,620	30:23,380	>> KRISTEN: Oh, no.
30:23,380	30:25,220	– You know, and they can get me for this
30:25,220	30:27,180	because it’s happened a long time ago.
30:27,180	30:29,380	– Statue of limitations, baby.
30:29,380	30:30,200	– Exactly.
30:30,200	30:36,340	You recently put out the Bunny Man video.
30:36,340	30:38,740	So that prison that–
30:38,740	30:39,580	– The Lorton prison.
30:39,580	30:43,540	– The Lorton prison, when I was a kid,
30:43,540	30:45,300	it was still abandoned.
30:45,300	30:47,940	And I went in there with some of my friends
30:47,940	30:49,880	that she wanted to take pictures.
30:50,980	30:53,820	– It looked exactly how you would imagine.
30:53,820	30:54,660	– In abandoned prison.
30:54,660	30:56,300	– In abandoned prison.
30:56,300	31:00,740	Probably got mesothelioma from being in there.
31:00,740	31:01,580	– Oh no.
31:01,580	31:02,420	(laughing)
31:02,420	31:03,580	– Very dusty.
31:03,580	31:06,620	And rusty and all that.
31:06,620	31:07,580	– Oh no.
31:07,580	31:09,380	– Man, was it cool though.
31:09,380	31:12,300	– Yeah, that is definitely somewhere where
31:12,300	31:15,260	I would be terrified to be in there.
31:15,260	31:18,180	But so outside of my alternative high school
31:18,180	31:19,020	that I went to.
31:19,020	31:19,860	– Alternative, everyone was.
31:19,860	31:21,860	– Everyone was an emo kid. – So I was a little baddie.
31:21,860	31:23,940	(both laughing)
31:23,940	31:24,780	– Alternatives.
31:24,780	31:30,140	– You know, it was literally like criminals,
31:30,140	31:31,580	pregnant girls and me.
31:31,580	31:33,700	And right outside of–
31:33,700	31:34,700	– And homosexuals.
31:34,700	31:37,140	(both laughing)
31:37,140	31:41,260	– Right outside of like the parking area,
31:41,260	31:43,900	there was this abandoned house
31:43,900	31:45,380	and everyone called it the hell house,
31:45,380	31:48,660	which is very typical.
31:48,660	31:50,660	but it was right off of the school.
31:50,660	31:52,980	So it was like, everyone ended up
31:52,980	31:54,420	kind of breaking in there and stuff.
31:54,420	31:56,900	And so it’s like covered in spray paint and dilapidated
31:56,900	32:00,260	and like, you know, stuff where kids have like broken tables
32:00,260	32:02,420	and like all this kind of stuff.
32:02,420	32:04,300	So I went, I mean, I went in there a couple of times
32:04,300	32:06,060	until like the novelty wore off.
32:06,060	32:07,180	– Yeah.
32:07,180	32:09,300	And you’re just like, this is just an old, old stinky place.
32:09,300	32:11,580	– It’s just an old stinky place.
32:11,580	32:13,180	But it was interesting, ’cause it was like one of those,
32:13,180	32:16,380	like a really old house where it was like,
32:16,380	32:19,260	there’s a basement and then it’s all like one floor.
32:19,260	32:21,620	So it’s not like, and even like the basement was like,
32:21,620	32:22,940	it was like boarded up or whatever.
32:22,940	32:24,140	So nobody could ever get,
32:24,140	32:25,660	I mean, I’m sure somebody went down there.
32:25,660	32:27,420	– Was it like a Blair Witch house?
32:27,420	32:29,340	– Kind of, like definitely older.
32:29,340	32:34,880	I mean, probably like early 1900s, kind of like old house.
32:34,880	32:39,740	But it was one of the, you know, it’s like where,
32:39,740	32:41,560	where there’s like an old house,
32:41,560	32:43,980	but like it’s surrounded by like strip malls
32:43,980	32:46,900	and highway exits and stuff.
32:46,900	32:48,180	It was that kind of situation.
32:48,180	32:51,180	– Oh, okay, I was like, we couldn’t buy out this land.
32:51,180	32:54,380	– This one tiny hell house could not be purchased.
32:54,380	32:55,980	So whenever we watch, you know,
32:55,980	32:59,620	we’ll watch found footage, ghost hunters,
32:59,620	33:00,740	and that kind of stuff. – Love.
33:00,740	33:02,700	– Very exciting, very fun.
33:02,700	33:05,020	But anytime I see those, like,
33:05,020	33:07,380	ah, kids have broken in and spray painted,
33:07,380	33:09,300	that’s what I think of, is like,
33:09,300	33:12,300	going back to my old hell house that I broke into.
33:12,300	33:13,140	(both laughing)
33:13,140	33:15,260	– You’re like, “Aww.”
33:15,260	33:18,900	– But that was, you know, you take that and it’s like,
33:18,900	33:20,460	“Oh, well, you’re right next to the school.
33:20,460	33:22,680	“It’s middle of the day.
33:22,680	33:23,700	“Who cares?”
33:23,700	33:26,860	– So you’re, but you’re saying ghost hunting
33:26,860	33:29,380	where there is consent.
33:29,380	33:30,620	– Yeah, yes.
33:30,620	33:32,480	Where someone’s like, “My house is haunted.
33:32,480	33:35,100	“Please come with your fancy gadgets
33:35,100	33:38,080	“and get evidence or whatever.”
33:38,080	33:40,740	(both laughing)
33:42,460	33:44,260	– Just super sassy like that.
33:44,260	33:45,460	– Yeah.
33:45,460	33:47,420	Excuse me, could you get your ass over here
33:47,420	33:48,300	and find a ghost please?
33:48,300	33:50,380	Thank you. – Or whatever.
33:50,380	33:52,540	– That’s the voicemail that they leave us.
33:52,540	33:55,300	– And they’re like, “We’re on our way, ma’am.”
33:55,300	33:56,620	– It’s fucking Karen’s man.
33:56,620	33:59,540	– With their ghost.
33:59,540	34:01,820	– I mean, I find it very interesting,
34:01,820	34:04,860	but I think a lot of times some of the stuff can,
34:04,860	34:07,740	like we’ve, you know, there’s a healthy amount
34:07,740	34:09,660	of skepticism is necessary.
34:09,660	34:11,140	– Yes.
34:11,140	34:15,660	And anyone who doesn’t do skepticism
34:15,660	34:18,460	is probably not somebody who can be trusted.
34:18,460	34:20,020	And I mean that for anyone.
34:20,020	34:21,260	I mean that for psychics.
34:21,260	34:23,300	I mean that for witchcraft.
34:23,300	34:24,780	I mean that, and I’m saying that
34:24,780	34:26,340	as somebody who was very weird.
34:26,340	34:30,740	– Yeah, you’re a very logical person
34:30,740	34:34,100	considering the war and the things.
34:34,100	34:36,460	(laughing)
34:36,460	34:39,980	– But I just feel like if you cannot approach things
34:39,980	34:41,620	with some kind of like,
34:41,620	34:44,100	there’s always the possibility this isn’t real.
34:44,100	34:45,500	And it goes the other way around.
34:45,500	34:48,540	Sure, you can say there’s 99% likelihood
34:48,540	34:50,060	that you’ll never see a ghost.
34:50,060	34:53,340	But you should always be skeptical of your own beliefs
34:53,340	34:56,380	enough to say there’s that 1% chance that you will.
34:56,380	34:58,460	I mean, it’s like– – Can you definitively say
34:58,460	34:59,300	you can’t?
34:59,300	35:00,120	No. – Right.
35:00,120	35:01,140	Well, it’s like that thing where they say
35:01,140	35:03,260	that like everyone in their lifetime
35:03,260	35:05,980	like walks by like seven serial killers or whatever.
35:05,980	35:06,820	– Oh yeah. – Whatever, you know,
35:06,820	35:09,740	it’s like, how can you say you’ve never met a serial killer?
35:09,740	35:12,860	you don’t know, how can you say you’ve never met a ghost?
35:12,860	35:13,860	How can you say you’ve never been
35:13,860	35:14,980	in the same room with a ghost?
35:14,980	35:18,100	Just because you believe that they’re not real
35:18,100	35:19,660	doesn’t mean they’re not.
35:19,660	35:21,100	And the other way goes too,
35:21,100	35:23,020	just because you believe that a ghost is real
35:23,020	35:24,820	does not mean that it is.
35:24,820	35:28,100	Everyone’s gotta be skeptical of everything.
35:28,100	35:30,540	Believe nothing, nothing is real.
35:30,540	35:33,100	– Well, and it’s almost, nothing.
35:33,100	35:38,100	It’s almost fun to try and logic away something
35:38,700	35:42,380	And then you kind of hit a wall where it’s like,
35:42,380	35:44,940	I don’t know if I believe my own.
35:44,940	35:46,580	Yeah, I just don’t know.
35:46,580	35:49,100	And you know what, the unknown, it’s a curious thing.
35:49,100	35:50,360	– Exactly. – Love it.
35:50,360	35:54,580	– And I think, I mean, so much of what a ghost entails
35:54,580	36:00,420	reflects the unknown in ways that other things don’t.
36:00,420	36:02,260	Like you look at like monsters and stuff
36:02,260	36:05,220	and you can, there’s not as much ambiguity.
36:05,220	36:06,060	– Yeah.
36:06,060	36:07,420	– Speaking of ghost hunting,
36:07,420	36:11,460	let’s maybe talk a little bit about some of the different,
36:11,460	36:13,740	different techniques and stuff that people do
36:13,740	36:15,880	and our general thoughts on them.
36:15,880	36:19,140	So what do you think about,
36:19,140	36:20,300	like when it comes to ghost hunting,
36:20,300	36:23,300	like do you think cold spots for instance
36:23,300	36:27,180	are like a viable way to detect a spirit?
36:27,180	36:31,340	– I think for any time I’ve ever watched those shows
36:31,340	36:34,940	when the cold spots don’t really
36:34,940	36:36,780	make anything believable for me,
36:36,780	36:40,020	it’s when they like record stuff.
36:40,020	36:41,420	– Yeah.
36:41,420	36:43,540	– Like where they’re like, what do they call it?
36:43,540	36:44,380	EMF?
36:44,380	36:45,420	– Yes.
36:45,420	36:48,140	EMF meters, like the electromagnetic fields.
36:48,140	36:49,140	– Yeah.
36:49,140	36:51,740	– I definitely think can be compelling,
36:51,740	36:54,740	but you also have to consider in modern–
36:54,740	36:55,940	– What are you around?
36:55,940	36:59,420	– Right, in modern day situations,
36:59,420	37:03,020	you are near power lines, you’ve got cords in the walls,
37:03,020	37:06,340	you’ve got microwaves and all sorts of stuff
37:06,340	37:11,340	that give off EMF that you can’t say it’s a ghost.
37:11,340	37:14,240	That being said, if you’re in some old-ass castle
37:14,240	37:17,560	in Germany that doesn’t have running power,
37:17,560	37:19,240	and you get an EMF reading,
37:19,240	37:21,940	I’m running.
37:21,940	37:23,880	– Thank you.
37:23,880	37:24,720	I have a thing for both of you.
37:24,720	37:25,840	– I’m not trusting it.
37:25,840	37:28,640	– There shouldn’t be wifi here.
37:28,640	37:29,680	– I think– – You just throw yourself
37:29,680	37:30,800	down a hill. – And I think it’s similar
37:30,800	37:32,720	with cold spots, especially if you’re in
37:32,720	37:34,680	like a modern enough house
37:34,680	37:36,380	So there’s like air conditioning.
37:36,380	37:39,380	(laughing)
37:39,380	37:40,860	– Spooky. – Ghost.
37:40,860	37:43,140	– I cannot say how many times I’ve been somewhere
37:43,140	37:47,100	and two different people have two completely different
37:47,100	37:48,400	temperature readings.
37:48,400	37:52,040	Because that’s just like how our bodies work.
37:52,040	37:54,580	Like you can’t say because you’ve got a shiver
37:54,580	37:55,420	that there’s a ghost.
37:55,420	37:58,780	Like, no, you’re scared and so your body dropped temperature.
37:58,780	38:01,200	Like, you know, that’s healthy skepticism.
38:02,420	38:06,580	Now, when they do like the, those like the temperature
38:06,580	38:11,580	cameras, filters, and there’s like a moving, you know, like.
38:11,580	38:14,220	– Ooh, the ones with the stick figures.
38:14,220	38:15,040	Have you seen those?
38:15,040	38:15,880	– No.
38:15,880	38:17,300	– What, no, you haven’t?
38:17,300	38:21,400	Wait, wait, be quiet.
38:21,400	38:23,620	Wait.
38:23,620	38:26,900	– Mabel, do you need to go outside?
38:26,900	38:29,820	All right, brief intermission while Reese looks us up.
38:29,820	38:36,820	Oh, perfect.
38:36,820	38:49,040	Oh, already the thumbnails getting me.
38:49,040	38:50,040	Is this a, um,
38:50,040	38:51,040	They’re good.
38:51,040	38:52,500	They’re called the SLS cameras.
38:52,500	38:55,400	I have not seen these, but this is terrifying.
38:55,400	38:57,460	What is it supposed to be?
38:57,460	38:58,820	Capturing a possible ghost with a
38:58,820	39:00,860	– Connect SLS camera. – SLS camera.
39:00,860	39:03,780	Alternative text humanoid bios near environment
39:03,780	39:05,620	similar to kinetic SLS camera
39:05,620	39:08,340	used by real paranormal investigators,
39:08,340	39:13,340	similar to the kinetic tracking in like VR, like video game.
39:13,340	39:15,460	– Interesting.
39:15,460	39:20,060	It’s very fun to see the way that people come up
39:20,060	39:22,860	with new techniques off of technology
39:22,860	39:24,980	because like, I mean, I’ve seen other uses
39:24,980	39:26,860	of these connect cameras where people are using them
39:26,860	39:28,420	to like power robots and shit.
39:28,420	39:33,420	But I have not seen Ghost Hunting with Xbox Kinect.
39:33,420	39:36,620	I have not, it’s a unique one for me.
39:36,620	39:39,840	– You just like strap an Xbox camera to yourself
39:39,840	39:41,020	and just go at it.
39:41,020	39:48,460	Those I like because the creepiness of the movement,
39:48,460	39:51,360	like somebody is standing there and you see there,
39:51,360	39:53,160	and then you see something that’s not there
39:53,160	39:54,960	and it also looks like a person.
39:54,960	39:57,040	– Yeah, ’cause you definitely like,
39:57,040	40:00,360	– I mean, it’s picking up on something
40:00,360	40:02,720	long enough for it to track.
40:02,720	40:05,160	– That has arms and legs.
40:05,160	40:09,400	– That has the right appendages to be picked up.
40:09,400	40:10,240	– Headless.
40:10,240	40:11,840	(both laughing)
40:11,840	40:13,360	I’ve seen one that was really creepy
40:13,360	40:16,280	that was like one of those,
40:16,280	40:17,960	but it was like down on all fours.
40:17,960	40:20,720	And I was like, no. – Oh, jeez, no thank you.
40:20,720	40:21,560	Because you can imagine–
40:21,560	40:23,760	– You get back up, you furry fuck.
40:23,760	40:24,920	– Right, I mean, I think Connect
40:24,920	40:28,000	to some kind of infrared something.
40:28,000	40:28,840	And you could see it like–
40:28,840	40:30,840	– So body heat, right?
40:30,840	40:31,740	– I think so.
40:31,740	40:33,480	Right?
40:33,480	40:34,300	Yeah.
40:34,300	40:36,640	You could see it picking,
40:36,640	40:37,640	no, I think it’s like,
40:37,640	40:38,600	isn’t it like,
40:38,600	40:42,020	it like tracks like the distance of light or something?
40:42,020	40:45,760	We know things.
40:45,760	40:46,600	– Yeah.
40:46,600	40:48,160	(laughing)
40:48,160	40:50,080	My professional opinion, you’re right.
40:50,080	40:51,000	– We’re experts.
40:51,000	40:51,840	– Yeah.
40:51,840	40:54,100	(laughing)
40:54,100	40:58,780	Stickman, stickman tracker.
40:58,780	41:02,420	Stickman coming to a scary movie theater near you.
41:02,420	41:04,960	He’s crawling toward you.
41:04,960	41:07,780	So that’s a that’s a thing.
41:07,780	41:09,220	So we have the EMS.
41:09,220	41:10,900	We have cold spots.
41:10,900	41:16,460	Infrared and or ultrasonic motor sensors detect possible anomalous movement within a given
41:16,460	41:21,860	area or to assist in creating a controlled environment where any human movement is detected.
41:21,860	41:25,620	air quality, Geiger counters, compasses,
41:25,620	41:29,420	all sorts of things that are potentially
41:29,420	41:33,920	not fans of ghosts.
41:33,920	41:37,460	I ran out of words.
41:37,460	41:42,820	And on that note, I think it’s time.
41:42,820	41:45,720	We bid adieu to you and you and you.
41:45,720	41:48,100	– Ghosts.
41:48,100	41:49,180	– That’s from the Sound of Music,
41:49,180	41:50,780	which does not have any ghosts in it,
41:50,780	41:52,180	that I know of.
41:52,180	41:53,000	– It doesn’t?
41:53,000	41:56,620	– No, but you know what would be an interesting topic?
41:56,620	41:59,940	Would be like when there’s like movies
41:59,940	42:02,460	and there’s like creepy behind the scenes stuff
42:02,460	42:03,300	that you don’t know about.
42:03,300	42:04,120	– Yeah, oh yeah, I love that.
42:04,120	42:05,580	– Like that dead person in,
42:05,580	42:09,260	not the sound of music,
42:09,260	42:10,980	in the dead person in,
42:10,980	42:15,540	you know, it’s like Dorothy.
42:15,540	42:16,380	– Wizard of Oz?
42:16,380	42:18,660	– Thank you. (laughs)
42:18,660	42:20,660	(LAUGHS)
42:20,660	42:22,760	Oh, my God.
42:22,760	42:25,560	The struggle is real.
42:25,560	42:27,900	-But we got there. -Thank you all so much.
42:27,900	42:30,100	-Wait, there’s a dead person? -Yeah, there’s–
42:30,100	42:32,940	-Oh, yeah, there sure is. -Oh, okay.
42:32,940	42:34,700	So…
42:34,700	42:37,200	Yep.
42:37,200	42:39,680	I’m gonna look it up later, I guess.
42:39,680	42:42,580	Let’s all look it up. There’s a dead person in…
42:42,580	42:46,320	-The Wizard of Oz. -Thank you.
42:46,320	42:47,420	(LAUGHS)
42:48,020	42:49,020	Oh, no.
42:49,020	42:51,520	All right, we have to wrap this up.
42:51,520	42:53,120	-So… -Your brain is melting.
42:53,120	42:54,520	-I can see it happening. -My brain!
42:54,520	42:56,020	Okay, bye, everyone.
42:56,020	42:58,420	-Bye. Thank you for joining us. -Bye.
42:58,420	42:59,520	You’re my favorite.
42:59,520	43:01,320	Go– Go ghost hunting.
43:01,320	43:02,820	-Especially you. -Tell us how it goes.
43:02,820	43:04,120	(BOTH LAUGHING)
43:04,120	43:08,020	-And, um… -We’re not responsible if you die.
43:08,020	43:11,820	Make sure to subscribe to A Killing Jar on YouTube.
43:11,820	43:13,120	Yes.
43:13,120	43:14,720	-Okay, bye. -Bye.
43:14,720	43:17,120	Oh, and by the way, next week,
43:17,420	43:19,620	We’re watching the thing.
43:19,620	43:20,820	– We’re watching the thing.
43:20,820	43:23,340	– Not just like the thing, like what are we watching?
43:23,340	43:26,260	Like we’re watching the movie, the thing.
43:26,260	43:27,100	– The thing.
43:27,100	43:27,940	(laughing)
43:27,940	43:30,220	John Carpenter’s The Thing.
43:30,220	43:34,340	– So you have a week to get it together,
43:34,340	43:36,140	figure it out, watch it somehow,
43:36,140	43:40,380	or just come back and hear us blabber on about it
43:40,380	43:41,580	without any context.
43:41,580	43:44,380	But we would rather you watch it ahead of time.
43:44,380	43:49,780	If you have a Peacock subscription, not sponsored, you can watch it on there.
43:49,780	43:51,900	Or it’s $4 to rent.
43:51,900	43:55,700	So or pirate it.
43:55,700	43:56,700	Whatever you need to do.
43:56,700	43:57,700	Whatever, whatever gets you there.
43:57,700	43:58,700	Okay, bye.
43:58,700	43:58,700	Bye.
43:58,700	44:00,700	Okay, bye. Bye.
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