That Witch Doesn’t Kill You: Microbiomes

ok Just trust us. Microbiomes are wild. Today we talk old patterns, kombucha, pre/probiotics, quorum sensing, and organism mega(biome)zords. 

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Did we want to just keep doing the intro in the same direction that we’ve been doing it?

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Or did we want to?

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Yeah.

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Hi, friends.

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I’m Jacob and that’s Reese.

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And this is That Which Doesn’t Kill You, a podcast where we speak about pop culture and

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dreadful things and end each episode by setting some intentions for the following week.

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Today we’re talking about microbiomes.

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If you have any questions, comments or random thoughts you’d like to start a future episode

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with, send us a DM on Instagram at our new handle, Argonauts.tube.

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Beautiful.

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Thank you.

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I am super excited to introduce today’s tarot card,

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which I again used AI to decide for us

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because the pack is all the way over there.

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– Over there.

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We can’t, we’ll never reach it.

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– It’s too far away.

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It’s at least two inches away

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from your fingertips right now, so it’s too far.

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– It will never happen.

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– And we were given the Tower, upright,

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meaning sudden change, revelation of the truth,

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Unexpected events, disruption of the status quo

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and liberation from old patterns.

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– Nice.

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– Which I think is very relevant to us right now

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because our old pattern was not recording.

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And so we are liberated from that old pattern

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by recording in this moment.

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– Yes.

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– Unexpected events.

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– A lot.

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– I mean, what isn’t unexpected?

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– Yeah, I–

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– You think I planned for this?

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– I planned for nothing.

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Everything just happened to me.

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– It’s so scary.

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It just bubbles over.

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– I’ve been, yes.

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I’ve been unprepared for the revelation of the truth.

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– This week we are talking about microbiomes

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as you so eloquently told us.

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And I’m very excited because we,

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in my head earlier I had a little joke

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and I was like, “He, he.”

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I was like, this is like the follow-up

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to the incels episode.

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(both laughing)

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– What, why?

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– Not because they’re both little bugs, but also that.

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(Meghan laughing)

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Because it’s more of like a,

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here’s like a bit of like an informational dive

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into a topic that interests me.

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Hopefully it’ll interest you too.

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It’s not necessarily pop culture.

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It can be dreadful, but it’s not necessarily like,

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you know, it’s not true crime or haunted things.

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It’s something that’s like within all of us.

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– I was really interested that you put this as a topic.

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So if anything, I want to see where your mind took you

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and tell me your tale.

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– Yes, well, ’cause we’ve talked pretty openly

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about hyperfixating on topics.

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And I tend to get interested in something

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and then have to know everything about it

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and make it like my entire life’s mission

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for about two weeks,

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and then forget about it for six months.

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And then not know anything about it.

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– And now it’s just in the collective unconscious.

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– It’s like, hopefully I’ll remember.

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– It’s somewhere in there.

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– Vitamin K, I don’t know.

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– Don’t know her.

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– So let’s start, which is kind of like an overview

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of kind of what the importance of,

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what a microbiome is and what its importance is

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to each of us individually.

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– Okay. – And then I’ve got

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a couple kind of deeper dive avenues

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that I wanna take us in.

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– Okay. – So we’re gonna hop

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in the car. – I’m ready to learn

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a thing. – We’re gonna go for a ride.

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Yes, we’re speeding down the information superhighway.

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– And you’re– – Straight into your ears.

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– You’re a very good teacher too.

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– Thank you.

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– You’ve sat me down and patiently taught me things.

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So I am looking forward to hear.

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Very nice. About this.

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I 100% was planning on–

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Feeding me up.

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Yes, on filling this entire opening

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with microbiome puns.

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(laughs)

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Oh. But I thought instead

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we should just get to the bottom of it.

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Did you?

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I don’t understand.

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It’s okay, you will.

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Okay.

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We’ll be right back.

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(dramatic music)

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(upbeat music)

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Come on, Mabel.

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I should have done that before.

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Come here, come back up.

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(laughing)

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– I was like, did you press record

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and then say, “Come on, Mabel.”

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– Yeah, sure did.

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– You’re funny.

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– I’m a silly little goose.

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– You’re silly.

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– All right, let’s go ahead

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and start with some overarching facts.

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Let’s get down to the science of the microbiome.

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– Yeah. – Microbiomes are very important

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to the health of pretty much every multi-cell organism,

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including humans.

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They help us to digest our food,

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fight off pathogens, and maintain immune functions.

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They are little passengers on our bodies,

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inside our bodies, inside all of us.

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They’re in our guts, they’re in our stomachs,

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They’re on our skin, they’re in our eyeballs.

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– I’m scared and horny.

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– Thank you.

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This is why I was like, this could work for the pod.

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– I was like, that does sound kind of dreadful

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when you describe it like that.

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– In the last couple of weeks,

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we’ve covered cold spots, haunted dolls,

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and at some point, I’m sure, possession, alien abductions.

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And today, your ass is getting abducted

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by a bacterium. – Organisms.

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(both laughing)

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– The human microbiome consists of trillions

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of microorganisms each, including bacteria,

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viruses, fungi, and protozoa that live in and on our bodies.

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They are unique to each individual

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and can be based on factors such as diet,

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age, and environment.

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So you could have a completely different microbiome

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than me just based on what you’re eating,

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how you’re living, where you come from,

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where you’re going, even things like,

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if you had a C-section versus a vaginal birth,

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you could have a completely different microbiome

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based on that one factor alone.

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– Whoa, okay. – To this day.

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So like, your alien style expulsion from your mother’s body

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could determine your microbiome 30 years later.

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– If that’s not body horror, I don’t know what is.

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– That is absolutely wild.

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(laughing)

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What are your thoughts so far?

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– Well, I’ve heard of,

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I guess you may talk about it,

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but I’ve heard of gut microbiomes,

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where you have to,

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as an individual, you have to take care of that

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because a lot of your health, if it’s bad,

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can come from what you are or are not doing

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to take care of that.

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– Exactly.

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It’s really interesting because even this isn’t actually something that I put in here, but something that.

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Ryan, it reminded me is even things like like your serotonin receptors and stuff like your microbiome

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can adjust how your body creates and processes like serotonin and dopamine,

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like these things that are integral to us.

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So a lot of what we do, obviously, as somebody who takes medication,

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I’m not saying don’t take medication for your depression.

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I’m saying–

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– Yeah, they say we’re both medicated.

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– There are multiple steps that it takes to be well

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and taking care of your little babies inside of you

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is just as important as popping a pill.

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– Oh, when you say it like that, sounds cute.

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– That’s right, I know, I’m like, when I drink my–

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– You take care of your little babies?

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– When I get my kombucha every day, my one bucha a day,

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I think, I think, I think, you know,

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I take my little swig of like–

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– This is for you.

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– I take my little swig of my V8 energy juice

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and I’m like, “This one’s for me.”

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And then I take a little swig of my kombucha

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and I’m like, “This one’s for the trillions of you

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“that love me, that need me.”

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– I’m your God.

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(both laughing)

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– Without me, the trillions of you would die.

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Do you think when Thanos snapped–

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– All the microbiome?

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– Half of our microbiome disappeared?

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‘Cause there should be a lot more

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leaky gut syndrome out there.

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– I was gonna say, can you imagine like the deleted scenes

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where people were just like dying in the streets?

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– Just vomiting in the streets.

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– Because yeah.

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– Just straight out both sides.

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– My microbiomes, bleh.

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– Wow. – Ant-man.

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– Yeah.

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– Micro, ’cause he’s tiny.

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– He’s teeny.

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– He’s little baby. – Little baby.

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– I’m surprised we never got like a honey,

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I shrunk the kids moment before we went full

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into the quantum realm.

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But let’s not talk about Ant-Man right now.

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Let’s get back.

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(laughing)

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– He finds a way to bring it back to Marvel.

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(laughing)

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– So as we were discussing,

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the gut microbiome is the largest

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and most diverse microbiome in the human body.

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And it’s responsible for digesting food,

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producing vitamins, and regulating our immune system,

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which is why it is so important that it’s healthy.

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Other examples.

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– Dogs too?

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– Dogs too.

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– Dogs have microbiomes?

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I actually have a very important part about dogs coming up,

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which is very–

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– We have dogs.

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– Interesting.

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– Okay.

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– As we discussed, diet can influence a variety of factors.

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Nope, let me rephrase that.

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Microbiome can be influenced by a variety of factors,

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including diet, antibiotics, stress,

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and environmental toxins.

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So pretty much every horrible thing that happens

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in this world can somehow affect your microbiome

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and that will, ugh.

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Do you need to go, do you need to go work on your microbiome?

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All right, let’s go.

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Go, go, oh my goodness, oh my God, go get down.

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All right, hold these.

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(gentle music)

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(upbeat music)

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– Thank you so much.

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(laughing)

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– ‘Cause you be arching it too much.

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– I be throwing it back too much.

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– Stop that.

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(both laughing)

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Where were we before I was rudely interrupted

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by my dog’s needs?

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Microbiomes can be influenced by a variety of factors.

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This includes diet, antibiotics, stress,

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environmental toxins, pretty much everything wrong

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in the world can kill us from the inside and out,

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which is very exciting.

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When the balance of microorganisms

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in the microbiome is disrupted,

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it leads to a lot of different health problems.

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there’s a condition known as dysbiosis.

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That’s how I remember when I was practicing it.

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And I was like, how the fuck?

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So dysbio, gonna get fucked up.

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– Cis. – Cis.

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– Dysbiosis. – Dysbiosis.

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– Oh. – And that’s a mnemonic device

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for that S.

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– Dysbiosis.

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– Microbiomes,

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Microbiomes can actually communicate with each other

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and with the host through a variety of signaling mechanisms.

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So like when I was- – The host.

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– The host, the host body,

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which is why like when I was saying like,

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they’re pretty integral to things like serotonin

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and chemicals and even things like vitamin K, vitamin D,

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like all these things are kind of created

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by the bacteria that are in our guts

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and they’re signals to our body

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that tell it what they need and vice versa,

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which is just a very, you know, it’s like a,

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you have like parasites and then you have like

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little hopeful buddies that are like

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filling your stomach with vitamins.

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Like it’s very interesting and also terrifying.

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I’m like, it’s like, you know, I think of like–

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– There’s so many systems that make a body work.

00:13:04.480 –> 00:13:06.280
– Right, and I’m like, you know,

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I think of like a little dust mite or something,

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and I’m like, that’s disgusting, get it off me,

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burn it with fire, I don’t even care if I can’t see it.

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I want them gone.

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But then I think of these little critters

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and I’m like, aw.

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And you know when you get like,

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the little, what’s the word?

00:13:24.940 –> 00:13:27.780
Oh God, I should have thought of this ahead of time.

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(laughing)

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Probiotics.

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– Oh, really?

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(laughing)

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– I’m like, literally, I’m like sitting there like,

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pre-pro, pre-pro, pre-pro.

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I’m like, what’s the word?

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– I saw the gears turning.

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– Oh, that was stressful.

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– All right, probiotics.

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Oh, I love probiotics.

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– They’ll literally, so like a prebiotic,

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this is not at all in my script.

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This is just me kind of like,

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let’s jump in here and add this.

00:14:01.960 –> 00:14:02.800
– Okay.

00:14:02.800 –> 00:14:05.760
– Because you wanna be able to add to your microbiome

00:14:05.760 –> 00:14:07.200
when you need to, which is why people do things

00:14:07.200 –> 00:14:12.200
like kombucha or probiotics or things like

00:14:12.200 –> 00:14:15.840
fricking pickles and shit, like fermented foods.

00:14:15.840 –> 00:14:16.800
– I love fermented foods.

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What’s the difference between the prebiotic and probiotic?

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– So prebiotic is food for the bacteria.

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Probiotics are like bacteria themselves.

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That’s why on a probiotic, you’ll see it says like

00:14:28.560 –> 00:14:31.520
one billion of this guy. – Yeah, these things.

00:14:31.520 –> 00:14:32.880
This guy. – This guy.

00:14:32.880 –> 00:14:34.280
– This one.

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– But the thing is, is a lot of times,

00:14:36.280 –> 00:14:39.960
probiotics are, they’re already either already dead,

00:14:39.960 –> 00:14:43.280
which is pointless, or you’re never gonna get enough,

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or they’re not used to your body,

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so they’re not gonna survive anyway.

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So that’s why things like fermented foods

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are like a more real is it ’cause it’s like a more natural.

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– Oh, like sauerkraut and kimchi and stuff.

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– That’s gonna have a lot more survivability, like a diet.

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– That’s your daughter.

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– I know, she’s so fucking annoying.

00:15:05.740 –> 00:15:07.740
That’s your daughter.

00:15:07.740 –> 00:15:10.320
(upbeat music)

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Jacob, no.

00:15:11.160 –> 00:15:13.740
(upbeat music)

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She’s like, there’s only bad bitches here.

00:15:26.540 –> 00:15:30.420
Mabel, come on up, mama.

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Come on.

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Come on, mama.

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Come on.

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Come here.

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Yay.

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She’s like, I’m here.

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Podcast dog.

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Lay down podcast dog.

00:15:46.220 –> 00:15:47.820
All right.

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Where were we?

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What were we saying?

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We were talking about fermented foods and pre and pro.

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Pre.

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So having a diet that consists of food that are naturally going to be beneficial

00:16:01.020 –> 00:16:05.020
to your marker biome, it’s going to be a lot more effective than taking a

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pill that says it has a billion of something,

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but then it’s been sitting in a pill.

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Like it’s not–

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– Well, from what you’re saying,

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is prebiotic stuff more beneficial than probiotic then?

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– A lot of times, yes, because that means that the

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biome that’s already, the microorganisms

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that are already in your body are being fed,

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and then they’re propagating.

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– Okay, and that makes sense,

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‘Cause like you were saying in the beginning,

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like it’s based off of your body.

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– Right, exactly.

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– Like yours and mine are different.

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– Yeah, and we could have, I mean,

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like I said, there’s a thousand different reasons

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we might have a different combination of organisms.

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And that’s gonna come down to all those different reasons

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that one, you know, maybe if you’re immunocompromised

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or something, you’re probably gonna have

00:17:03.240 –> 00:17:04.840
different needs than I’m going to

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when it comes to your microbiome.

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– Ah, okay, okay, okay.

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– But your microbiome’s also really important

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’cause it can help you with your immune system

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and staving off worse pathogens

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that could potentially kill you and shit.

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So, all in all–

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– So pretty freaking important.

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– Pretty important.

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And I think as far as health stuff goes,

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I don’t think we really talk about it enough

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’cause I think people do get kind of wigged out by it.

00:17:30.480 –> 00:17:35.480
– Well, it’s almost, I started hearing about

00:17:35.480 –> 00:17:40.520
pre and probiotic stuff relatively recently,

00:17:40.520 –> 00:17:43.960
and I mean probably within the past five years or so.

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So it’s almost like, I would say,

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a fad that’s coming back or starting or something.

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‘Cause like you said, if it affects so many things,

00:17:59.280 –> 00:18:03.920
so many parts of your body, if it’s not working correctly,

00:18:03.920 –> 00:18:06.280
it should definitely be a more

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paid attention to part of your diet, I guess.

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I do like a good yogurt.

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– Mm-hmm, well, what’s really interesting,

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so there used to be this kind of myth

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that people would say that there were more microbiomes,

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or there’s more microorganisms than cells in your body,

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And the truth is it’s really more closer,

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it’s probably more like one to one.

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Which means half of who we are is other organisms.

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– Whoa, you’re not even you.

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– Bro.

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– Whoa, Mabel.

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– Mabel, can you believe?

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– Mabel, you’re not even.

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– You’re not even.

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Who are you?

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All right, so I wanted,

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there’s a couple kind of more avenues

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I wanted to take us down.

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The first one is, I find it really interesting

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how all of these organisms that are separate organisms

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can communicate with each other.

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So we talked a little bit about the way

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that they’ll process certain chemicals to kind of,

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and then our bodies will react to those chemicals,

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and that’s kind of like a way that they exchange information

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on each other’s needs.

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There’s this other thing that they release

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called immunomodulatory molecules.

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And these regulate the immune response

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and prevent inflammation.

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So basically, if you think about your immune system

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as attacking all these viruses and shit

00:19:38.060 –> 00:19:39.320
that are in your body,

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you don’t want your body attacking your microbiome

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because it’s so important to all these things.

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And a lot of times, your microbiome is capable

00:19:46.800 –> 00:19:49.040
of producing things for you, like certain vitamins,

00:19:49.040 –> 00:19:51.040
that your body can’t produce on its own.

00:19:53.720 –> 00:19:55.720
So what you’re saying is that is there like a health issue

00:19:55.720 –> 00:19:59.080
where your body would attack its own microbiome?

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– Yeah, I mean, if it, if for some reason,

00:20:01.240 –> 00:20:04.920
I mean, and immunology is a whole other episode

00:20:04.920 –> 00:20:05.760
that I could definitely see.

00:20:05.760 –> 00:20:07.720
Maybe that’ll be next season.

00:20:07.720 –> 00:20:10.160
– I like seeing you do like medical stuff.

00:20:10.160 –> 00:20:11.960
– I actually really, science is cool.

00:20:11.960 –> 00:20:13.400
Science is cool as fuck.

00:20:13.400 –> 00:20:16.520
– Well, I like, I work in the health field

00:20:16.520 –> 00:20:18.280
and I mean, I’m in physical therapy now,

00:20:18.280 –> 00:20:21.200
but I was in primary care and pediatrics

00:20:21.200 –> 00:20:23.320
and like body is crazy, man.

00:20:23.320 –> 00:20:28.320
– Yeah, I mean, essentially, your body trains

00:20:28.320 –> 00:20:34.520
certain blood cells to go out and stop other things

00:20:34.520 –> 00:20:36.240
that are, like other pathogens and stuff.

00:20:36.240 –> 00:20:40.560
You don’t want it to be making copies and attacking itself.

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And if half of your body is microorganisms–

00:20:44.560 –> 00:20:47.480
– That’s a lot that is being taken out.

00:20:47.480 –> 00:20:49.200
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

00:20:49.200 –> 00:20:53.280
– Another way that microbiomes communicate

00:20:53.280 –> 00:21:03.120
with each other. And they have this process called quorum sensing, which basically it

00:21:03.120 –> 00:21:07.280
detects the density of the population and responds by altering gene expression. So it

00:21:07.280 –> 00:21:09.760
starts to figure out like a little too many of us around here.

00:21:09.760 –> 00:21:13.840
– Sounds like sci-fi shit. – Literally. I mean, quorum sensing sounds

00:21:13.840 –> 00:21:16.160
like, like, – Star Trek.

00:21:16.160 –> 00:21:20.800
– It’s like Star Trek, like, or like Star Wars when they like, when you’re, when they’re at the

00:21:20.800 –> 00:21:22.800
the Senate or whatever.

00:21:22.800 –> 00:21:24.780
– Quorum sensing. – We have a quorum.

00:21:24.780 –> 00:21:26.740
– We have a quorum. – I’m sensing a quorum.

00:21:26.740 –> 00:21:27.900
– Everybody. – Guys.

00:21:27.900 –> 00:21:29.900
– Chill. – Stop spreading.

00:21:29.900 –> 00:21:31.360
– Quorum.

00:21:31.360 –> 00:21:32.860
Everybody check your microbiomes.

00:21:32.860 –> 00:21:33.700
– Everyone.

00:21:33.700 –> 00:21:37.100
We need you to be a little more micro,

00:21:37.100 –> 00:21:39.620
a little less biome, okay?

00:21:39.620 –> 00:21:41.860
(laughing)

00:21:41.860 –> 00:21:44.740
– Who is the Senate queen that you are?

00:21:44.740 –> 00:21:45.820
(laughing)

00:21:45.820 –> 00:21:48.300
– Everyone, chill. – Everyone.

00:21:48.300 –> 00:21:50.320
– I need everyone to calm down.

00:21:50.320 –> 00:21:58.400
Mechanisms can, microorganisms, microorganisms can also exchange genetic material through

00:21:58.400 –> 00:22:03.120
a process called horizontal gene transfer in which genetic material is transferred between

00:22:03.120 –> 00:22:11.400
cells through mechanisms, I kept trying to say mechanizations, also that.

00:22:11.400 –> 00:22:14.280
There’s robot microorganisms out there.

00:22:14.280 –> 00:22:16.920
– Ooh, talking about robots.

00:22:16.920 –> 00:22:22.360
mechanisms such as conjugation, transformation, and transduction. This process allows microorganisms

00:22:22.360 –> 00:22:28.520
to acquire new traits such as antibiotic resistance and adapting to changes in the environment.

00:22:28.520 –> 00:22:34.480
Basically, it means they are telling each other like, “Hey, I learned about this new

00:22:34.480 –> 00:22:41.120
tool. It’s called a hammer and it goes really well with this spike protein you have that

00:22:41.120 –> 00:22:46.120
is a nail. And we’re gonna build some walls or something. (laughs)

00:22:46.120 –> 00:22:54.000
– That actually makes more sense than I thought it was going to when you first started talking.

00:22:54.000 –> 00:23:00.240
– I sensed this quorum and then I decided we’re gonna put your hammer with my nails.

00:23:00.240 –> 00:23:05.520
– Solutions. Solutions. – And one of the interesting things,

00:23:05.520 –> 00:23:09.120
this is the kind of our next avenue because we’ve got our little podcast doc here.

00:23:09.760 –> 00:23:15.280
and we had talked about how all creatures for the most part have microbiomes except for

00:23:15.280 –> 00:23:19.360
probably like bacteria themselves. I’m sure there’s some bacteria that even have bacteria

00:23:19.360 –> 00:23:26.560
depending on the size of it. I did not look that deep into it. But studies have shown that dogs

00:23:26.560 –> 00:23:34.880
microbiomes differ significantly from humans and that by living with dogs, we’re actually

00:23:34.880 –> 00:23:41.360
increasing the diversity of the microbial species that are in our gut microbiome. So we-

00:23:41.360 –> 00:23:41.920
– How?

00:23:41.920 –> 00:23:48.880
– By having cats and dogs around us, I’m assuming cats too, but dogs, there’s like

00:23:48.880 –> 00:23:55.040
the specific thing that I knew about from whatever podcast I’d listened to three years ago.

00:23:55.040 –> 00:23:57.040
– Collective unconscious.

00:23:57.040 –> 00:24:02.640
– Right, they were specifically talking about dogs and it’s because they’re around us. If you

00:24:02.640 –> 00:24:06.160
shake my hand, your skin microbiome is gonna,

00:24:06.160 –> 00:24:08.080
you know, we’re gonna be passing over each other

00:24:08.080 –> 00:24:09.280
a little bit.

00:24:09.280 –> 00:24:13.600
But if you’re living with a sweet little angel,

00:24:13.600 –> 00:24:16.440
who’s the most beautiful little baby in the world.

00:24:16.440 –> 00:24:18.840
– And sleep with us and do everything with us.

00:24:18.840 –> 00:24:21.920
– That microbiome’s gonna, you know, be spreading.

00:24:21.920 –> 00:24:24.880
But then if you’re thinking at the gut level,

00:24:24.880 –> 00:24:29.600
like it’s so interesting that even the microbiome

00:24:29.600 –> 00:24:31.600
that’s locked deep inside of you

00:24:32.520 –> 00:24:37.520
is being altered by the species sitting next to you.

00:24:37.520 –> 00:24:44.880
– I love all the body horror that I’m just thinking of.

00:24:44.880 –> 00:24:47.520
I’m just like, this could go very wrong.

00:24:47.520 –> 00:24:49.640
– I mean, there are some assumptions that I can make

00:24:49.640 –> 00:24:51.840
that are not very happy to me.

00:24:51.840 –> 00:24:52.680
– Okay.

00:24:52.680 –> 00:24:53.880
– Dogs be licking their butts.

00:24:53.880 –> 00:24:56.440
– Oh, yeah.

00:24:56.440 –> 00:24:57.880
– And then they be licking you.

00:24:57.880 –> 00:24:58.720
– Yes.

00:24:58.720 –> 00:25:00.520
– And then you be like,

00:25:00.520 –> 00:25:02.720
You’re like, “Oh no, my biome.”

00:25:02.720 –> 00:25:03.560
– I’m gonna eat this chicken finger.

00:25:03.560 –> 00:25:06.880
I don’t know what’s a finger food that, I don’t know.

00:25:06.880 –> 00:25:09.360
That’s the weirdest reference for a vegan to make

00:25:09.360 –> 00:25:11.200
who hasn’t had meat in 16 years.

00:25:11.200 –> 00:25:12.680
(laughing)

00:25:12.680 –> 00:25:16.560
– You’re pretending to be just a regular old Joe.

00:25:16.560 –> 00:25:18.000
– I love chicken fingers.

00:25:18.000 –> 00:25:19.680
– Chicken fingies.

00:25:19.680 –> 00:25:22.200
– I’m quorum sensing that we need to have

00:25:22.200 –> 00:25:25.200
a nice plate of chicken fingers.

00:25:25.200 –> 00:25:29.520
– Like if you ever, for some reason.

00:25:29.520 –> 00:25:31.040
– Do I have to infiltrate the–

00:25:31.040 –> 00:25:34.200
– Yeah, the only thing you’ll eat is chicken fingers.

00:25:34.200 –> 00:25:39.200
– Much like a probiotic, I am infiltrating this organism.

00:25:39.200 –> 00:25:42.160
– You’re laying right on it.

00:25:42.160 –> 00:25:43.960
– Made of meat eaters.

00:25:43.960 –> 00:25:45.960
Okay, I’m gonna get to the bottom of this.

00:25:45.960 –> 00:25:47.380
I’m gonna keep making that joke too.

00:25:47.380 –> 00:25:48.840
So bottom because gut.

00:25:48.840 –> 00:25:52.320
– Oh, you’re gross.

00:25:52.320 –> 00:25:56.120
– Yeah, not my greatest work.

00:25:56.120 –> 00:25:56.960
– Body whore.

00:25:58.120 –> 00:26:02.000
It’s just so weird how something that,

00:26:02.000 –> 00:26:05.480
oh, it’s just, it’s gross, but it’s also wild.

00:26:05.480 –> 00:26:09.440
But it’s like, now Mabel is a part of me

00:26:09.440 –> 00:26:12.160
because she’s one-to-one microbiome

00:26:12.160 –> 00:26:13.840
and I’m one-to-one microbiome.

00:26:13.840 –> 00:26:16.960
And now my microbiome has mixed with her microbiome.

00:26:16.960 –> 00:26:19.300
And so now Mabel is a part of me.

00:26:19.300 –> 00:26:22.080
– I’m gonna go home and hug Rocky.

00:26:22.080 –> 00:26:23.880
(laughing)

00:26:23.880 –> 00:26:25.480
I’m just gonna hold him up.

00:26:25.480 –> 00:26:27.360
– And the more time you and I spend together,

00:26:27.360 –> 00:26:30.100
The more our microbiomes are microbioming.

00:26:30.100 –> 00:26:34.060
Bro, you’re inside me.

00:26:34.060 –> 00:26:39.060
– Ugh, I don’t like that.

00:26:39.060 –> 00:26:41.320
(laughing)

00:26:41.320 –> 00:26:44.160
– Yeah.

00:26:44.160 –> 00:26:46.960
– That made me upset to hear with my ears.

00:26:46.960 –> 00:26:47.800
– I’m so sorry.

00:26:47.800 –> 00:26:50.640
It is, obviously it’s important.

00:26:50.640 –> 00:26:51.480
Other things–

00:26:51.480 –> 00:26:53.460
– This topic has made you disgusting.

00:26:53.460 –> 00:26:55.960
– I was already disgusting.

00:26:56.800 –> 00:27:01.800
I’m quorum sensing that you think I’m disgusting right now.

00:27:01.800 –> 00:27:08.560
It’s important to also note living with dogs

00:27:08.560 –> 00:27:13.560
and microbiomes can spread other things like salmonella

00:27:13.560 –> 00:27:17.720
and all sorts of different things.

00:27:17.720 –> 00:27:23.760
It’s not like only beneficial bacteria spreads

00:27:23.760 –> 00:27:25.920
between people, obviously.

00:27:25.920 –> 00:27:27.700
and all that kind of stuff as well.

00:27:27.700 –> 00:27:28.540
– Yeah.

00:27:28.540 –> 00:27:31.340
– The fungi, literally all of the stuff

00:27:31.340 –> 00:27:32.380
that make up our microbiome,

00:27:32.380 –> 00:27:34.300
there’s obviously good and bad to it.

00:27:34.300 –> 00:27:37.100
And some people are going to react differently

00:27:37.100 –> 00:27:42.100
to something that their body’s not used to.

00:27:42.100 –> 00:27:43.940
Just like an allergy to anything else

00:27:43.940 –> 00:27:47.140
is your body reacting to something it doesn’t like.

00:27:47.140 –> 00:27:48.500
That’s always possible to happen.

00:27:48.500 –> 00:27:50.300
Could you imagine falling in love

00:27:50.300 –> 00:27:51.700
with the perfect person,

00:27:51.700 –> 00:27:54.340
but then finding out your microbiomes are not compatible,

00:27:54.340 –> 00:27:55.980
And the moment you try to live with–

00:27:55.980 –> 00:27:56.820
– You have to put in your profile.

00:27:56.820 –> 00:27:58.380
– You’re like dating them and you’re like,

00:27:58.380 –> 00:27:59.360
everything’s going great.

00:27:59.360 –> 00:28:01.540
And then you move in together and like a week later,

00:28:01.540 –> 00:28:04.100
you’re like, I’ve been shitting a lot.

00:28:04.100 –> 00:28:06.900
– Yeah, I’m sick all of the time.

00:28:06.900 –> 00:28:08.940
– And this didn’t used to be like this.

00:28:08.940 –> 00:28:10.700
– I have not changed my diet.

00:28:10.700 –> 00:28:12.220
I have changed nothing except–

00:28:12.220 –> 00:28:14.900
– All I’ve done is got married to you

00:28:14.900 –> 00:28:16.060
and put this ring on.

00:28:16.060 –> 00:28:19.700
– That is grounds for divorce.

00:28:19.700 –> 00:28:20.540
– Honestly.

00:28:21.960 –> 00:28:26.960
– All right, last points, last little side track here.

00:28:26.960 –> 00:28:32.220
Antibiotics and harsh cleaning products

00:28:32.220 –> 00:28:34.640
can significantly disrupt the delicate balance

00:28:34.640 –> 00:28:37.040
of microbiomes leading to various health issues.

00:28:37.040 –> 00:28:39.980
Because microbiomes are so complex

00:28:39.980 –> 00:28:43.320
and they’re like communities of communities,

00:28:43.320 –> 00:28:44.160
you know what I mean?

00:28:44.160 –> 00:28:45.520
Like they’re so intricate.

00:28:45.520 –> 00:28:48.480
You might be trying to get rid of, I don’t know,

00:28:48.480 –> 00:28:49.960
a ringworm or something,

00:28:49.960 –> 00:28:52.680
but that could end up fucking your gut up.

00:28:52.680 –> 00:28:55.040
So a lot of times if you find yourself

00:28:55.040 –> 00:28:58.400
constantly having to take antibiotics,

00:28:58.400 –> 00:29:01.200
you probably also find that your microbiome

00:29:01.200 –> 00:29:02.880
is not as strong as it could be.

00:29:02.880 –> 00:29:06.760
– Well, and when you say stuff like that,

00:29:06.760 –> 00:29:11.760
it reminds me as someone who was born with a vagina,

00:29:11.760 –> 00:29:16.160
there’s always these things that they tell you

00:29:16.160 –> 00:29:18.600
about antibiotics and the things that you eat.

00:29:18.600 –> 00:29:23.600
and the medicine that you take that disrupts,

00:29:23.600 –> 00:29:26.040
I guess that would be called a microbiome

00:29:26.040 –> 00:29:27.440
of the bacteria down there.

00:29:27.440 –> 00:29:28.280
– Exactly.

00:29:28.280 –> 00:29:34.760
– And so, you know, I’ve been taking like cranberry.

00:29:34.760 –> 00:29:39.000
I’m like, love that, it helps.

00:29:39.000 –> 00:29:40.600
– Yes, very, exactly.

00:29:40.600 –> 00:29:43.120
– Well, like I was just talking to Vivian about it yesterday.

00:29:43.120 –> 00:29:44.440
She was like, yeah, you gotta make sure

00:29:44.440 –> 00:29:47.400
that you use like, you know, non-scented stuff

00:29:47.400 –> 00:29:50.080
because that’s gonna mess with the bacteria

00:29:50.080 –> 00:29:51.080
that you have. – The fragrance and stuff.

00:29:51.080 –> 00:29:51.960
– Yeah. – Yeah.

00:29:51.960 –> 00:29:54.440
Well, even like mice,

00:29:54.440 –> 00:29:58.400
my skin has always been very sensitive.

00:29:58.400 –> 00:30:02.440
So a lot of that, I’m sure it comes down to my microbiome,

00:30:02.440 –> 00:30:05.200
of my skin microbiome, especially my face.

00:30:05.200 –> 00:30:08.840
Like when there’s actually a kombucha essence,

00:30:08.840 –> 00:30:10.400
I don’t know, I think there’s live,

00:30:10.400 –> 00:30:13.160
I guess there’s live like something in there.

00:30:13.160 –> 00:30:14.360
It’s from BiFresh. – Oh.

00:30:14.360 –> 00:30:17.120
– And that one always made my skin a little more,

00:30:17.120 –> 00:30:20.300
like kind of less finicky,

00:30:20.300 –> 00:30:24.620
’cause my skin reacts really strongly to my environment.

00:30:24.620 –> 00:30:28.340
So ever since going back and helping out at a previous job,

00:30:28.340 –> 00:30:30.260
like I’ve been doing for the last couple of weeks,

00:30:30.260 –> 00:30:32.860
my skin has been so crazy,

00:30:32.860 –> 00:30:35.540
just from being there two, three times a week

00:30:35.540 –> 00:30:38.740
because of just the environment, you know what I mean?

00:30:38.740 –> 00:30:42.460
And it’s very interesting just to see how that kind of works

00:30:42.460 –> 00:30:44.980
and I’m always kind of conscious

00:30:44.980 –> 00:30:48.780
when I’m trying to like a new skincare product

00:30:48.780 –> 00:30:52.300
because I’m like, is this, is my skin going to hate this?

00:30:52.300 –> 00:30:54.580
Is my microbiome going to hate this?

00:30:54.580 –> 00:30:55.860
Am I gonna start breaking out

00:30:55.860 –> 00:30:58.860
because the bacteria on my face are like, I do.

00:30:58.860 –> 00:30:59.700
– Everyday.

00:30:59.700 –> 00:31:00.860
– Every single day.

00:31:00.860 –> 00:31:05.340
I look into the mirror and I say, look, all trillion of you

00:31:05.340 –> 00:31:07.340
we need a quorum census right now.

00:31:07.340 –> 00:31:14.740
– Brought it back, brought it back.

00:31:14.740 –> 00:31:15.980
– What’s the census?

00:31:15.980 –> 00:31:19.420
– Quorum census is gonna be the name of the census.

00:31:19.420 –> 00:31:20.560
– Good, it should be.

00:31:20.560 –> 00:31:26.180
– So in addition to antibiotics,

00:31:26.180 –> 00:31:29.860
very harsh cleaning chemicals can also really fuck

00:31:29.860 –> 00:31:31.420
with your microbiome. – That I did not know.

00:31:31.420 –> 00:31:32.260
– Yeah. – But that makes sense.

00:31:32.260 –> 00:31:34.060
– So especially like your skin microbiome,

00:31:34.060 –> 00:31:36.200
like I was just talking about how some things

00:31:36.200 –> 00:31:37.340
really fuck up my skin.

00:31:42.540 –> 00:31:46.260
You know, we ingest and intake things

00:31:46.260 –> 00:31:48.180
in ways that we don’t always consider.

00:31:48.180 –> 00:31:50.640
We even take things in through our skin layer.

00:31:50.640 –> 00:31:52.620
– Pores.

00:31:52.620 –> 00:31:55.860
– Pores, you know, micro particles get in through,

00:31:55.860 –> 00:31:57.580
into our food.

00:31:57.580 –> 00:32:00.660
Like, so even if you think you’re spraying bleach

00:32:00.660 –> 00:32:03.020
in the bathroom, that doesn’t mean a particle,

00:32:03.020 –> 00:32:05.780
you know, particles of it aren’t gonna end up in your food.

00:32:05.780 –> 00:32:08.900
Which is gross, but that’s life.

00:32:08.900 –> 00:32:10.300
That, you know, it is what it is.

00:32:10.300 –> 00:32:11.140
– It happens.

00:32:12.140 –> 00:32:16.300
And so obviously I’m not like a never vaxxer.

00:32:16.300 –> 00:32:18.940
I’m not saying like don’t wash your hands.

00:32:18.940 –> 00:32:22.100
I’m saying be cognizant of like,

00:32:22.100 –> 00:32:27.580
are you using something that’s gonna not only be harmful

00:32:27.580 –> 00:32:30.860
to harmful bacteria, are you also going to be harming

00:32:30.860 –> 00:32:34.020
your own bacteria that makes up half of your body?

00:32:34.020 –> 00:32:39.980
You gotta think about all the little babies too.

00:32:39.980 –> 00:32:41.180
– All of your babies.

00:32:41.180 –> 00:32:46.180
– Yes, because when your microbiome gets majorly fucked up,

00:32:46.180 –> 00:32:54.780
there’s digestive issues like bloating,

00:32:54.780 –> 00:32:56.740
gas, constipation, diarrhea,

00:32:56.740 –> 00:32:58.340
everything pepto-abysmal is good for,

00:32:58.340 –> 00:33:01.080
it does not mean you rely on pepto-abysmal, okay?

00:33:01.080 –> 00:33:02.740
– Just IV it into your body.

00:33:02.740 –> 00:33:03.780
– It does not make up.

00:33:03.780 –> 00:33:07.540
– Just pepto-abysmal enema is what you’re saying, yeah.

00:33:07.540 –> 00:33:08.380
– Gross.

00:33:08.380 –> 00:33:10.420
(laughing)

00:33:10.420 –> 00:33:13.180
trying to work in quorum sensing into Pepto-Bismol

00:33:13.180 –> 00:33:15.020
and I can’t make it. – No.

00:33:15.020 –> 00:33:16.140
– I can’t make it. – It’s too soon

00:33:16.140 –> 00:33:18.140
after the last one, stop it.

00:33:18.140 –> 00:33:20.100
(both laughing)

00:33:20.100 –> 00:33:23.100
– Research has shown that maintaining a healthy microbiome

00:33:23.100 –> 00:33:25.620
is crucial for overall health and wellbeing.

00:33:25.620 –> 00:33:29.220
So a balanced diet, including a variety of fruit,

00:33:29.220 –> 00:33:31.040
vegetables, and whole grains,

00:33:31.040 –> 00:33:34.980
can help to promote the growth

00:33:34.980 –> 00:33:37.740
of beneficial microorganisms in the gut.

00:33:37.740 –> 00:33:41.180
Additionally, wow, I’m gonna start over that whole sentence.

00:33:41.180 –> 00:33:43.660
Research has shown that maintaining a healthy microbiome

00:33:43.660 –> 00:33:47.360
is actually really crucial to overall health and wellbeing.

00:33:47.360 –> 00:33:51.060
So adopting a balanced diet includes a variety of fruits,

00:33:51.060 –> 00:33:51.980
vegetables, whole grains.

00:33:51.980 –> 00:33:53.180
I feel like we all know this stuff.

00:33:53.180 –> 00:33:55.180
We all, I mean, obviously–

00:33:55.180 –> 00:33:56.420
– I grew up with the food pyramid.

00:33:56.420 –> 00:33:57.940
– I’m not gonna be that vegan who’s like,

00:33:57.940 –> 00:33:59.700
“You guys should really be more like me

00:33:59.700 –> 00:34:01.820
because my microbiome is really

00:34:01.820 –> 00:34:04.460
quorum something right now.”

00:34:04.460 –> 00:34:07.460
(both laughing)

00:34:07.460 –> 00:34:08.660
– So happy for you.

00:34:08.660 –> 00:34:09.500
– Thank you.

00:34:09.500 –> 00:34:12.420
(both laughing)

00:34:12.420 –> 00:34:14.460
– She drinks all the boocha.

00:34:14.460 –> 00:34:15.300
– All the boocha.

00:34:15.300 –> 00:34:16.140
– All the boocha.

00:34:16.140 –> 00:34:19.640
– This really does help to promote the growth

00:34:19.640 –> 00:34:21.280
of the beneficial microorganisms.

00:34:21.280 –> 00:34:25.940
And additionally, you can avoid unnecessary antibiotic use

00:34:25.940 –> 00:34:31.020
and just kind of think more about

00:34:31.020 –> 00:34:32.600
kind of what environmental toxins

00:34:32.600 –> 00:34:34.180
you’re exposing yourself to.

00:34:34.180 –> 00:34:37.060
Things like pesticides, harmful chemicals,

00:34:37.060 –> 00:34:42.060
And a lot of our modern day food practices are not great.

00:34:42.060 –> 00:34:48.540
And so it’s much like the microbiome, it’s a balance.

00:34:48.540 –> 00:34:53.540
Because you don’t have the opportunity to say,

00:34:53.540 –> 00:34:57.220
I’m only gonna eat raw vegetables from the farmer’s market

00:34:57.220 –> 00:34:59.820
that were locally grown so that it’ll match my microbiome.

00:34:59.820 –> 00:35:01.060
Because that’s not realistic.

00:35:01.060 –> 00:35:03.940
Nobody has that kind of money, nobody has that kind of time.

00:35:03.940 –> 00:35:05.340
People gotta get out the door

00:35:05.340 –> 00:35:07.600
and they gotta grab their freezer burrito

00:35:07.600 –> 00:35:08.760
and it is what it is.

00:35:08.760 –> 00:35:11.660
– You’re speaking from experience.

00:35:11.660 –> 00:35:13.200
– Listen, okay.

00:35:13.200 –> 00:35:16.520
Yes, I have a 24 count of ramen, okay.

00:35:16.520 –> 00:35:19.740
– Specifically me with my…

00:35:19.740 –> 00:35:23.980
Makes me wanna eat more kimchi.

00:35:23.980 –> 00:35:26.020
– I think that’s a fair assessment.

00:35:26.020 –> 00:35:27.100
That’s a good takeaway.

00:35:27.100 –> 00:35:30.700
Is that gonna be your intention for the week?

00:35:30.700 –> 00:35:33.380
– That’s my intention is to eat more fermented things

00:35:33.380 –> 00:35:34.780
because you know what?

00:35:34.780 –> 00:35:35.940
– I love me a pickle.

00:35:35.940 –> 00:35:39.980
– Listen, okay, speaking of pickles.

00:35:39.980 –> 00:35:40.820
– Yeah.

00:35:40.820 –> 00:35:42.620
– We really gotta get back into the pickle game.

00:35:42.620 –> 00:35:43.460
– Oh, okay. – It’s fun to make.

00:35:43.460 –> 00:35:45.180
– Thank you, I was thinking that too.

00:35:45.180 –> 00:35:46.660
I was like, you know what?

00:35:46.660 –> 00:35:47.900
I have a lot of jars.

00:35:47.900 –> 00:35:49.940
– All right, pickles season four.

00:35:49.940 –> 00:35:50.780
– Okay.

00:35:50.780 –> 00:35:52.420
– Give her a good look out for it.

00:35:52.420 –> 00:35:53.580
– Pickles.

00:35:53.580 –> 00:35:54.420
– Pickles.

00:35:54.420 –> 00:36:00.620
Obviously, as a closing note,

00:36:00.620 –> 00:36:03.460
as we said, it’s also the,

00:36:03.460 –> 00:36:04.960
Nope, I’m just gonna skip it.

00:36:04.960 –> 00:36:09.600
That is all the same words.

00:36:09.600 –> 00:36:10.980
All right.

00:36:10.980 –> 00:36:14.580
So yeah, so that’s my overview of the microbiome

00:36:14.580 –> 00:36:16.340
and why it’s important and why I want

00:36:16.340 –> 00:36:18.380
all of your little critters to be safe

00:36:18.380 –> 00:36:22.540
and healthy and beautiful and gorgeous and glowing.

00:36:22.540 –> 00:36:23.620
– I learned a lot.

00:36:23.620 –> 00:36:25.060
– Thank you, I’m glad.

00:36:25.060 –> 00:36:26.060
– That was pretty good.

00:36:26.060 –> 00:36:30.140
– So microbiome, terrifying, but not deadly.

00:36:30.140 –> 00:36:31.900
– Yes.

00:36:31.900 –> 00:36:33.100
– And also kind of not terrifying,

00:36:33.100 –> 00:36:34.420
Kind of lovely.

00:36:34.420 –> 00:36:36.220
– No, very scary.

00:36:36.220 –> 00:36:41.220
What if they all, what if you like made them big

00:36:41.220 –> 00:36:44.300
and then they all just came out of you at once?

00:36:44.300 –> 00:36:45.500
– Mega biome.

00:36:45.500 –> 00:36:46.340
– Yeah.

00:36:46.340 –> 00:36:51.220
– Like in Akira. – They just burst out of you.

00:36:51.220 –> 00:36:52.060
Yeah.

00:36:52.060 –> 00:36:53.020
(laughing)

00:36:53.020 –> 00:36:53.840
Yes.

00:36:53.840 –> 00:36:59.060
– Let’s try it and see what happens.

00:36:59.060 –> 00:37:00.020
– Okay, you go first.

00:37:00.020 –> 00:37:00.860
– Okay.

00:37:02.300 –> 00:37:03.140
– We’ll be right back.

00:37:03.140 –> 00:37:05.380
(laughing)

00:37:05.380 –> 00:37:19.280
Aren’t you though?

00:37:19.280 –> 00:37:23.540
– I’ve taken, I’ve been known to take the Metro now and then

00:37:23.540 –> 00:37:26.420
and have sex on it. – Sexually.

00:37:26.420 –> 00:37:27.260
– Yeah.

00:37:27.260 –> 00:37:28.500
(laughing)

00:37:28.500 –> 00:37:30.940
I’m sexually attracted to a train.

00:37:30.940 –> 00:37:32.060
Did you?

00:37:32.060 –> 00:37:33.460
– Yes, you did.

00:37:33.460 –> 00:37:35.260
– I didn’t know you did.

00:37:35.260 –> 00:37:37.060
I didn’t hear the clicky.

00:37:37.060 –> 00:37:39.820
– Now you’re saying you’re sexually attracted to the metro.

00:37:39.820 –> 00:37:40.660
– To trains.

00:37:40.660 –> 00:37:42.380
(laughing)

00:37:42.380 –> 00:37:43.920
Specifically the metro.

00:37:43.920 –> 00:37:48.860
– All right, let’s go ahead and set our intentions

00:37:48.860 –> 00:37:50.740
for the week.

00:37:50.740 –> 00:37:51.580
– Okay.

00:37:51.580 –> 00:37:54.860
Why you take a sippy sip?

00:37:54.860 –> 00:37:55.700
– This is not kombucha.

00:37:55.700 –> 00:37:57.600
This is probably bad for my microbiome.

00:37:57.600 –> 00:38:00.740
– Is gin, is gin bad for you?

00:38:00.740 –> 00:38:03.260
– I would think alcohol is probably not a great,

00:38:03.260 –> 00:38:05.300
I mean, I would think–

00:38:05.300 –> 00:38:07.020
– I mean, I don’t know.

00:38:07.020 –> 00:38:08.980
– Artisanal soda.

00:38:08.980 –> 00:38:12.660
– Rubbing alcohol is so bad for you.

00:38:12.660 –> 00:38:15.780
– I sometimes just drink just straight rubbing alcohol.

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– Yeah, like you’re in a prison.

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– It’s like 100,000 ounces of high fives for my microbiome.

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– They’re like, “Woo!”

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– They’re just rubbing palms.

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(both laughing)

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– It was a stretch, I know.

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So don’t look at me like that.

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– She’s hardcore judging. – What’s your intention

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for whatever week this airs?

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– I want to pickle some things.

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– Yes, I love that.

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I definitely think, I mean, as we’ve already discussed,

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I’m one of those hipster assholes

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who drinks a kombucha every now and then, daily.

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– You know, actually, I’m gonna change it.

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I should start drinking some kombuchas.

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– Okay.

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It really does make me feel–

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– Was there one that I,

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I feel like I had one that you had here that was good

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because it’s a flavor thing to me.

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I don’t know what it is.

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I just, I really can’t find one

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that I actually want to finish.

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– I really like the Wegmans ones.

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They have a couple of different flavors I like

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and they’re a little more subtle.

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– I need to find one with a flavor that I like.

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– Do you like a raspberry moment?

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– I do like raspberry.

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– Do you like a lemonade moment?

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– I feel like those are good flavors

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for the strong, the like, strongness of the,

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what the kombucha is.

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‘Cause I don’t know what it is.

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I just, I don’t like–

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– Do you wanna set our intention really easy

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and say, let’s have a raspberry lemon kombucha right now?

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– Can we drink one now?

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– Uh-huh.

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– Okay, is it okay to drink?

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– Yeah.

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– Okay.

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– All right, cool.

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So that’s our intention.

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Let us know what your intention is gonna be for the week.

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– Yes, no matter how small, an intention is an intention.

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Come find us on Instagram, Argonauts.tube.

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– Yes.

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– You can also take that link into your browser

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and it’ll take you straight to our YouTube channel

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that does not exist yet, but I–

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– Share us, tell your friends.

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– The information’s super highway.

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Please make us more friends.

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We want community, okay?

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So you gotta tell people about us.

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You gotta say, hey, I know these really two,

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Nope, I know, I know.

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– I know these two queers.

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– These F words.

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– Oh. – That you’re gonna love.

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– Yeah.

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– All right, you’re gonna think they’re the bee’s knees.

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They’re the cat’s pajamas. – If you like us,

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I hope you’ll be referring to us as the F word.

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(both laughing)

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– But only if you are one.

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Otherwise. – Otherwise.

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– I don’t wanna hear it.

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– What are you doing here?

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– That’s so rude, that’s messed up, man.

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– Come on, man. – What the hell?

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Bro. Guy.

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And on that note, see you next time.

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Have a great week.

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Yes.

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Whatever.

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Thanks.

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See you.

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(upbeat music)

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(upbeat music)

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(upbeat music)

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(upbeat music)

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that witch doesn’t kill you: Haunted Dolls

Reese and Jacob cross the globe to bring us spooky Ooky tales of haunted dolls from Annabelle and Chucky to Robert the Doll, Okiku, and the Island of Dolls. The two discuss the uncanny valley, accidentally drag Barbie, get an AI tarot reading, and tell Mabel the Podcast Dog that she’s the goodest girl.

Transcript

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Alrighty.

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Hi friends, I’m Jacob and that’s Reese and this is That Which Doesn’t Kill You.

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A podcast where we speak about pop culture and dreadful things and each episode we end with,

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Nope. And end each episode by setting some… What? Did I even write this?

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Let’s try that again. Oh, okay. I understand.

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Hi, friends. I’m Jacob and that’s Reese. And this is That Which Doesn’t Kill You,

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a podcast where we speak about pop culture and dreadful things,

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and end each episode by setting some intentions for the following week.

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Today we’re talking about dolls. If you have any questions, comments or random thoughts you’d like

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us to start a future episode with, send us a DM on Instagram at Argonauts.tube.

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Yay. One other thing that we started last season that was kind of fun. We might as well,

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or not last season, but when we did the New Year episode is we like chose a tarot card.

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And so, as you know, I’ve been playing with some AI things lately.

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Yes, you’ve been very into that.

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It’s in the zeitgeist. So I was like, I might as well. And so I actually had an AI choose our card

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for us today. And we drew the four of cups, which represents disappointment or boredom with the

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status quo. It suggests that the querent may be feeling unfulfilled or dissatisfied with their

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current situation and may be searching for something more meaningful. It also advises

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the querent to consider their options carefully and not make any rash decisions.

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I feel like this is directly talking about my issues with my car.

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That does sound right. You are unfulfilled and dissatisfied.

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I am so upset with car stuff right now. That is personal Reese things.

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Damn it, personal Reese.

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I need a new car.

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So that feels relevant.

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– Okay, okay.

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– To me, what about you?

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– I don’t think it’s necessarily,

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yeah, this definitely feels like a you and not a me.

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I feel like I’ve been doing pretty good.

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– You’re like, my car runs fine.

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– My car is great.

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– My car?

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Brunhild, she’s fine.

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– Brunhild’s fine.

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I’m very sorry that you’re having issues though,

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that’s never fun.

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– Oh well, car shopping is kind of exciting in its own way.

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– Yeah, that’s the spirit.

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I love that positive spin.

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– I was being very positive

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after the hectic day I had yesterday

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and I still went to go see my show

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and I still had a great time.

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– Yes, and it was at the Apollo?

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– What, no.

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(laughing)

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I went all the way to the Apollo.

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Is that place still open?

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– I’m sure it is.

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Isn’t that where like super really famous people have played?

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– Are you saying that the people you like

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aren’t super famous?

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– No, he’s not super famous.

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– Oh, him specifically.

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K-pop’s pretty popular.

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– I don’t think he’s considered K-pop.

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– Oh, I just assumed.

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– Oh no.

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– What does he make?

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– It’s just like an indie music guitarist.

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He’s like from LA, but his parents are Vietnamese.

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– Oh.

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– His name is Keshi.

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– Damn, I was accidentally racist.

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I was just making fun of you and I accidentally

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Call the Vietnamese person keep this in

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My bad

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exposed

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No, but I had a great time yesterday and even how hectic it was. So yeah, I was glad

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okay, so

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Dolls

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They’ve been making them for long ass time. Yes. Okay. Okay. I’m with you

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realistic looking ones.

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Personally, my sister was a big fan

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of the realistic looking ones.

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– Yikes.

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There’s that–

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– She had a bunch in her room,

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and when I would stay in her room,

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I would sleep on the floor next to the bed,

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and I would make sure it was nowhere

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within viewing of the dolls.

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Like, I just didn’t wanna see them.

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But she loved her piles of dolls.

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I don’t know where they are now.

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-I don’t want to know. -That’s fair.

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So, dolls,

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yes, they’ve always seemed pretty creepy to me.

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And when I was younger,

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that Goosebumps,

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that dummy.

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-Yes. -That really creeped me out.

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-Dummy is another one that’s– -Yes.

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-It’s something about– -Ventriloquist.

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-Yes. -That’s really–

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It’s something about– And they’re 3D.

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You know, there’s that trope of like,

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like paintings where the eyes follow you and stuff.

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– Oh yeah.

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– But a 2D image can only be so realistic looking.

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– It’s like a really intricate glass-eyed doll.

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– Right, I’m like, no, the amount of effort put in

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to make you look as real as possible,

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but then you still know it’s not, though.

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– Looking at them and they look like they could blink

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or say anything at any moment, that’s terrifying.

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It’s terrifying.

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I always thought that, even when I was a kid.

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You, um, you collect any dolls growing up?

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No, I was.

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I definitely had some stuffed animals.

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I had, um.

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I was never a doll person.

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I wasn’t really a doll person.

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I’m trying to think of, I mean, I had some like Batman’s, you know, um.

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Those are dolls, right?

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I mean, let’s be real.

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Action figures are dolls.

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We don’t have to name them something different so that boys will like them.

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Action.

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I’m like, and who’s saying Barbie’s not getting some action?

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Okay, that came out wrong.

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I heard it once I said it, I’m sorry.

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– I’m going on a face journey right now.

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What was that?

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– My phone, how dare it?

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– So you played with?

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– Yeah, I definitely had some fun with it.

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I definitely was more of a stuffed animal kid.

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But I think– – I know I always liked

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my plushies.

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– I think, yeah, yeah.

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Like I think I’ve always been a little like,

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– No, I don’t like that.

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Like, that’s a little creepy.

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Anything that’s like humanoid, but like not a human.

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Don’t trust it. – Well, and you–

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– I mean, clowns.

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– Another thing I didn’t like growing up,

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I never watched the Chucky movies

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because that really scared me.

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You like that now.

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– Yeah.

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I never, so I used to think Chucky was stupid.

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Like, I never, ’cause I didn’t know anything about it.

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And it was the kind of thing where like the movies,

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the horror movies that I was watching when I was younger

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were not Chucky.

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– Not that, yeah.

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– And Chucky is like a very specific kind of like humor.

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Whereas–

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– I never thought it would be,

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it makes sense when I think about it,

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but it didn’t occur to me that, yeah,

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that could be a humorous concept.

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– Yeah, it’s like a good like horror comedy.

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– Yes.

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– But back in the day, I mean, when I was like a child,

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child, I was watching classic horror kind of stuff

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like from like the 80s and 90s, but–

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You’re so sophisticated.

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– Are you dragging me right now?

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– (laughs) No!

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– I’m so confused.

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(both laughing)

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– My tone did seem like that, but I wasn’t.

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– I was very confused.

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– I wasn’t.

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– You’re so sophisticated.

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– That’s what you think, right?

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No, I didn’t start watching a lot of horror stuff

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until I was older, so what am I to say?

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– Yeah.

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– I was a dark little.

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– So you really, you like Chucky.

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– I do like Chucky now.

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I never really gave it a chance.

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And then I liked the TV show.

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And the only reason I watched the TV show

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was because I knew the main character was gay

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and I gotta support the gays.

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– Yes.

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– Even if the actors are straight.

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I still gotta support them.

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– Yes.

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– And the founder, not the founder, the founder.

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– The founding father.

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– The founding father of Chucky is gay.

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So he’s the one I really want.

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And he’s like, now he’s like the main director

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and he’s a showrunner and he’s always been

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like the main writer.

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And so I’ve always wanted to support him.

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Once I found out he was a homosexual,

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I was like, yeah, I wanna support that guy.

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And then I watched it and I was like,

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damn, yeah, this is pretty gay.

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– Well, when you talk about liking it,

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it makes me, it’s one of those things

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that I feel like I should watch one of these days

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just ’cause I was so afraid of it as a kid,

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but I’m obviously, I don’t think that way anymore.

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And it seems like it would be really fun.

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And I really like fun horror. – That’s the thing is,

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when you can come to it as fun horror,

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it makes a lot more sense.

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– And I love that that’s basically a genre, fun horror.

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– Exactly.

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And you contrast that with something like “It,”

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where I used to be terrified of clowns,

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and that movie did not help.

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‘Cause even though he’s cracking jokes,

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like menacing jokes. It’s like if you’re like abuser is making jokes at you, it’s not gonna

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be funny to you. Yeah, you’re like, you know what? That was a banger joke probably, but

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I’m still afraid. Right. But if Chucky makes a joke at me, I’m like, you’re about to murder

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me but that was kind of funny. You’re a doll. There’s like, and you know, something about

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the fact that it’s like dolls are, I mean, for the most part, children’s toys. Yes. You

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You know what I mean?

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It gives that extra kind of like fear

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of like harming children specifically

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and or like being related.

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Children are creepy.

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– Yes, children are creepy on their own.

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– They be seeing shit, they be talking about shit.

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They be saying like,

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“Grandmother visited me last night from the astral plane.”

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And I’m like, “No.”

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– And I’m like, “You’re four, please stop.”

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– Stop it right now.

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– Another thing about like the history of dolls

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is that there is history of them being,

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I guess like conduits for energy.

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– Conduits is a good word.

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– And is that, did I use that word correctly?

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– Yeah, that was great, that was beautiful.

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– So if anything, it really solidified to me

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like how empty these vessels are

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that you can put energy in it

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and make it into something else.

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like those witch puppets you were talking about.

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Or even like voodoo dolls, things like that.

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And so in my mind when I read about these stories

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of dolls being haunted by something,

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I’m like that makes perfectly good sense.

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Because these things are empty

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and then you can put something in it.

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– It’s like a hermit crab.

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– Yeah.

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– Like a spiritual hermit crab.

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You’re just like, I’m crawling around.

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I gotta find a humanoid body.

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And this is the closest one I can find.

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– It’s got arms, it got legs.

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– It’s got a little face, raggedy,

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and she got those little blush marks.

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– Yes, I’m a blushing demon.

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– I’m jumping in there.

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(laughing)

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– Speaking of movies, I really liked

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when I was starting to get into horror more,

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the Conjuring movies and the Annabelle movies.

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watched all of those. Very scary, but just like fun. I know they’re like, you know, jump

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scare, you know, Hollywood movies.

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Which I think is fine.

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I was gonna say it is done. I mean, to my untrained eye when it came to horror at the

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time. It was fun. I loved it. I was like, oh my god. And then they made the Raggedy

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Raggedy Ann doll, because I think I remember talking about it with you. The Raggedy Ann

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doll was originally how Annabelle, how she looked, which is scary in itself. It’s a little

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button. It looks more innocent. And then they have like this.

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It’s got that like craftsman kind of like, oh, someone’s mother sewed this on the farm.

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Like there’s some extra, you know, yarn and a piece of cloth.

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Great depression, Dust Bowl aesthetic looking ass.

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– Yeah, depression core.

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Oh God, my legs.

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– You don’t have legs.

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– Oh, I have two legs.

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Okay, so one of the doll stories

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that I’d never heard of when we first looked this up

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was a doll named Okiku.

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The legend goes in the early 1900s, a girl named Okiku from Hokkaido was gifted a doll

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from her brother, Eikichi Suzuki. The doll was named Okiku because of the girl. That was her name.

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Sorry. I did not like that noise. I will be editing that out.

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I can’t do it again.

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So she was treating the doll like a, you know, a little sister. She was like feeding it.

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That she named after herself?

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And so I think they, it sounds to me that they named the doll after she…

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Oh, afterwards.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yeah, would you name a doll?

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I didn’t have a name before. Not Jacob.

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Your name’s not Batman.

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I actually used to call my Batman, Batman.

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Really?

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Go figure.

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Not Jacob.

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Wait, this is a this is a side

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note because we’re just everywhere.

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I was talking to Vivian yesterday

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about Barbies and we

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were talking.

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Dolls, not a side note.

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Or a good side note.

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Yes.

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Because we were talking about she

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said there was a particular

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like doll that she wanted

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that had like Gigi’s skin tone.

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Like she wants her to have these

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dolls that show because she

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she was telling me, I hope this is

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OK for me to talk about Vivian.

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I think it’s fine.

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– When she was growing up,

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she only had the white Barbie dolls.

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When I was growing up,

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when people would gift me a Barbie doll,

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there was a Hispanic one named Teresa.

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It was like one of Barbie’s friends.

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And I was just like, oh yeah.

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Like Vivian was telling me she didn’t know

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that there were other colors of Barbies.

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I’m like, I had Teresa.

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Teresa means Hispanic.

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– Everyone wants to be Barbie.

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So why can’t Barbie herself come

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and all the, all the, is that offensive?

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I don’t know.

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I’m like, ’cause that’s like the name one.

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– I liked Teresa.

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– You know what I mean?

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– She was the main one to me.

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I think it just depends on like how it’s–

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– I like that, yeah.

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– ‘Cause I didn’t have Barbie dolls or Ken’s.

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I had Teresa and, I don’t know,

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an action figure that they were married and beep, beep, beep.

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– What action figure?

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G.I. Joe.

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– I don’t remember.

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– Huh?

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– G.I. Joe.

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– No, I had one of those stretchy guys.

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– I did not have that.

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– I don’t know what that is. – What is it called?

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It was a stretchy man.

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– Oh.

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Tell me more.

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– No.

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I can’t remember what else.

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I remember I had lots of Theresa’s.

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It was Theresa and her like five clones, all named Theresa.

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– You had six different Theresa’s?

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– I had a bunch ’cause people would just

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buy me just the Theresa.

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– That’s fair.

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I did not have enough family members

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to be buying me multiples of toys, so.

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When I was younger, we were closer

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with my mom’s side of the family

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and I had way more aunts and uncles over there.

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All of the toys, even if they were all the same thing.

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Thank you.

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– Oh, that’s kind of cool though,

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’cause then if you like rip the hair off of one

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and make it like the scary dolls with the–

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– Yeah, thanks LA fam.

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So, I don’t know what Okiku called her doll.

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People called it Okiku after her passing.

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So she ended up dying very young due to malaria.

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And then it is said that the little girl

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died gasping for air in pain and afraid

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all the while holding her doll really tight.

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So they believe that because of that traumatic

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painful death that her spirit perhaps moved into this doll. And the most notable thing

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about this doll is that it’s allegedly its hair grows and that it is real human hair.

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And so it’s now at a temple in Japan where monks take care of it and actually cut its

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hair.

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I know.

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I don’t like it.

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Despite the fact that several scientists and skeptics have tried to explain the phenomenon

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of the doll’s hair growing, the legend continues to fascinate.

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Ooh, okay, fascinate.

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Fascinating.

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I feel like you would be able to scientifically prove

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if the hair is growing by just putting a camera on it.

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But in watching.

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So I wonder, I’m like, obviously then in that case,

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the monks would have to be complicit

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in keeping up the ruse if there’s a ruse going on.

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– Well, apparently the doll is still there to this day.

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And then, allegedly.

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– Is it like on display or is it like being hidden

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in a back room somewhere?

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– It’s more, from what I read, it’s more like,

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like you can go see it but they don’t want you

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to get close or touch it or like disturb it.

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– Convenient. – I know.

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But when I read that, I was thinking,

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weren’t probably most of the dolls in that time

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or even earlier, made from human hair.

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– That’s true.

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When was this again?

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– In the early 1900s.

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– Okay, okay.

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– I’m sure they did.

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Even if not human hair, maybe horse hair or something.

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So there’s people like, it’s real human hair.

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I’m like, hmm.

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– That’s a good point.

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– And that it’s also said that the doll,

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you know, move stuff around in the temple

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and causes people near it to have nightmares

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and things like that.

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That was one I definitely did not know about

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and I thought was very interesting.

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– Yeah, no, that is very interesting.

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And I do think, I believe like the nightmare thing

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’cause I think there’s like a bit

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of a power of suggestion thing.

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Did you ever watch “The Skeleton Key”?

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– No, but I know–

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– It wasn’t really like a big liked movie,

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but the kind of core concept is that magic only works

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if you believe in it, which I think is,

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in the real world, has like a lot

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of very interesting connotations.

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– World War.

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– The World War, because it’s kind of true.

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Like if you believe something’s haunted,

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it’s gonna haunt you, because you believe that it is.

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If you’re like a huge skeptic and you don’t believe anything,

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you’re not gonna like–

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– No. – And hear a noise

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and be like, oh, it’s the doll I don’t believe is haunted.

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– Exactly, no, I completely believe that.

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I’m like, if you’re someone who, yeah, believes in things,

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you’re going to notice stuff maybe like a non-believer

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wouldn’t notice, and that’s gonna mean something to you.

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You will have a experience or whatever,

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whereas someone who is skeptic is like,

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that’s just the wind, and I will move on.

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So yeah, I completely believe that.

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– The power of suggestion in the uncanny valley.

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– I did not know much about this next doll,

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Robert the doll, but it’s so popular.

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– Yes.

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– Tell me what you know, or tell me what happened.

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– I have a kind of stupid story about this.

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So when I was at a previous employer,

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(laughing)

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One of the other managers and I told one of our associates,

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who’s this older woman, she’s probably in her 60s maybe,

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about Robert the doll, and showed her photos,

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for Google photos, right?

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And we’re just sitting in the back room, just talking.

00:21:34.260 –> 00:21:38.380
And so we’re telling her, “Oh yeah, there’s Robert the doll,

00:21:38.380 –> 00:21:41.300
“he’s on display, he has his own room,

00:21:41.300 –> 00:21:42.660
“and he’s taken care of,

00:21:42.660 –> 00:21:45.260
“and people believe he’s haunted and stuff.”

00:21:45.260 –> 00:21:50.060
And she, like a week later, she came to us and was like,

00:21:50.060 –> 00:21:51.340
“I had a dream.

00:21:51.340 –> 00:21:54.300
Robert the doll came to me and he touched me.”

00:21:54.300 –> 00:21:56.500
And we were just like, “What?”

00:21:56.500 –> 00:21:57.340
– What?

00:21:57.340 –> 00:22:01.580
– I did not know you were gonna take it there.

00:22:01.580 –> 00:22:02.420
– Whoa.

00:22:02.420 –> 00:22:04.780
– What?

00:22:04.780 –> 00:22:06.220
– And so, every time I think–

00:22:06.220 –> 00:22:07.860
– Infiltrated her dreams.

00:22:07.860 –> 00:22:10.460
– Literally, so every time I think of Robert the doll,

00:22:10.460 –> 00:22:14.180
I think of him traveling through Google image search

00:22:14.180 –> 00:22:16.140
-Too hot, my old co-worker. -Too hot.

00:22:16.140 –> 00:22:17.300
[laughter]

00:22:17.300 –> 00:22:20.820
-You know. -Good for him.

00:22:20.820 –> 00:22:22.860
You got to have hobbies.

00:22:22.860 –> 00:22:26.100
Whoa, wait, like,

00:22:26.100 –> 00:22:28.860
touch their leg, I’m going to kill you.

00:22:28.860 –> 00:22:34.620
-Oh, a strangle? -Yes.

00:22:34.620 –> 00:22:37.220
I didn’t know what that hand motion was.

00:22:37.220 –> 00:22:38.740
-I was very confused. -Oh, sorry.

00:22:38.740 –> 00:22:40.860
-I’m allowed to explain myself. -Touch her however you want.

00:22:40.860 –> 00:22:42.020
[laughter]

00:22:42.180 –> 00:22:47.180
– I assume in a spooky way.

00:22:47.180 –> 00:22:48.940
– He booped her.

00:22:48.940 –> 00:22:49.780
– He boop boop.

00:22:49.780 –> 00:22:51.240
– He did a spook boop.

00:22:51.240 –> 00:22:52.080
– A spook boop.

00:22:52.080 –> 00:22:53.100
(laughing)

00:22:53.100 –> 00:22:54.700
Next week on Spook Boop.

00:22:54.700 –> 00:22:55.540
– Aw.

00:22:55.540 –> 00:22:58.260
Our next podcast for children.

00:22:58.260 –> 00:22:59.160
(laughing)

00:22:59.160 –> 00:23:00.000
– Spook boop.

00:23:00.000 –> 00:23:05.320
Robert the doll is said to have caused car accidents,

00:23:05.320 –> 00:23:07.440
broken bones, and other misfortunes

00:23:07.440 –> 00:23:09.160
to those who disrespect it.

00:23:10.360 –> 00:23:12.660
Maybe she disrespected him after we told her his tale.

00:23:12.660 –> 00:23:14.840
– Yeah, she went home and started a picture of him.

00:23:14.840 –> 00:23:15.680
I was like, “Fuck you.” – Yeah, and I was like,

00:23:15.680 –> 00:23:18.920
“He’s not real.” – “Stupid.”

00:23:18.920 –> 00:23:20.460
And now he lives in Florida.

00:23:20.460 –> 00:23:21.460
Good for him.

00:23:21.460 –> 00:23:24.760
– Yeah, like everything else bad in this world,

00:23:24.760 –> 00:23:25.780
straight to Florida.

00:23:25.780 –> 00:23:26.620
– Yes.

00:23:26.620 –> 00:23:32.100
The last one I have is the Island of the Dolls

00:23:32.100 –> 00:23:34.940
located in Xochimilco, Mexico.

00:23:34.940 –> 00:23:37.180
– Oh, I don’t know anything about this.

00:23:37.180 –> 00:23:40.300
– So from what I remember,

00:23:40.300 –> 00:23:45.300
so I saw Buzzfeed Supernatural video about it.

00:23:45.300 –> 00:23:51.820
So there was this guy who lived on this island,

00:23:51.820 –> 00:23:56.540
this man-made island that was created in Mexico

00:23:56.540 –> 00:24:01.540
and he was tending to his crops one day

00:24:02.340 –> 00:24:07.340
and he saw a girl that had drowned near his island,

00:24:07.340 –> 00:24:11.820
and he was sad that he couldn’t save her,

00:24:11.820 –> 00:24:15.620
knew what happened, so he buried her on the island.

00:24:15.620 –> 00:24:16.940
And then–

00:24:16.940 –> 00:24:18.180
– Where were her parents?

00:24:18.180 –> 00:24:22.660
– She just went for a swim.

00:24:22.660 –> 00:24:23.500
– Damn.

00:24:23.500 –> 00:24:26.260
– And then apparently either the next day

00:24:26.260 –> 00:24:30.140
or sometime soon after, a doll was found

00:24:30.140 –> 00:24:32.880
where she had drowned.

00:24:32.880 –> 00:24:37.880
So he thought that the dolls were representative of her.

00:24:37.880 –> 00:24:44.960
So he would collect dolls and people would come

00:24:44.960 –> 00:24:48.160
to the island to trade dolls for produce

00:24:48.160 –> 00:24:50.120
that he grew on the island.

00:24:50.120 –> 00:24:52.920
Yeah, and so it ended up just being

00:24:52.920 –> 00:24:54.920
this whole big collection of dolls

00:24:54.920 –> 00:24:57.420
throughout the entire island.

00:24:57.420 –> 00:24:58.260
Dolls, dolls, dolls, dolls, dolls, dolls.

00:24:58.260 –> 00:25:00.300
– And this was just some random girl?

00:25:00.300 –> 00:25:01.140
– Mm-hmm.

00:25:01.140 –> 00:25:04.620
– No, I’m uncomfortable.

00:25:04.620 –> 00:25:06.340
– You know what was worse? – Multiple assets.

00:25:06.340 –> 00:25:08.380
If it was like, oh yeah, his daughter drowned,

00:25:08.380 –> 00:25:10.700
I’d be like, damn, okay, he’s trying to get in touch

00:25:10.700 –> 00:25:11.700
with his daughter. – It was a rando.

00:25:11.700 –> 00:25:15.300
– Some rando, like, you’re a little too obsessed

00:25:15.300 –> 00:25:19.760
with this body you found. – This rando buried her.

00:25:19.760 –> 00:25:25.380
When I was watching the video,

00:25:25.380 –> 00:25:28.100
the part that I remembered and scared me the most

00:25:28.100 –> 00:25:30.720
was how many spiders there were on the island.

00:25:30.720 –> 00:25:34.560
There’s like a whole segment of them trying to like

00:25:34.560 –> 00:25:38.800
leave the island and they have to go under

00:25:38.800 –> 00:25:40.520
all these things and these spiders everywhere.

00:25:40.520 –> 00:25:42.840
– You mean the spiders were trying to leave the island.

00:25:42.840 –> 00:25:45.400
(laughing)

00:25:45.400 –> 00:25:46.720
No, leave them there.

00:25:46.720 –> 00:25:50.240
– You stay there with it,

00:25:50.240 –> 00:25:52.080
like they would come out of the dolls and stuff.

00:25:52.080 –> 00:25:54.760
– No, no. – It was super bad.

00:25:54.760 –> 00:25:56.160
– No, thank you.

00:25:56.160 –> 00:25:57.960
– It was all kinds of little dolls

00:25:57.960 –> 00:26:01.000
and there was like a Mickey Mouse one and a gorilla one.

00:26:01.000 –> 00:26:01.920
– Interesting.

00:26:01.920 –> 00:26:05.240
– So.

00:26:05.240 –> 00:26:08.120
– Yikes.

00:26:08.120 –> 00:26:09.580
I hate that, I hate it.

00:26:09.580 –> 00:26:14.920
– Apparently, like the guy’s nephew would,

00:26:14.920 –> 00:26:17.880
like lives at the island now and like talks about

00:26:17.880 –> 00:26:20.400
what he knows from when his uncle was alive.

00:26:20.400 –> 00:26:21.240
– Yeah.

00:26:21.240 –> 00:26:24.920
– He said that his uncle used to tell him

00:26:24.920 –> 00:26:27.600
like the dolls will turn to each other

00:26:27.600 –> 00:26:29.100
-and you start whispering. -Yikes.

00:26:29.100 –> 00:26:30.980
-Yeah. -I’m against it.

00:26:30.980 –> 00:26:34.140
-That’s creepy, right? -Kind of feel like he brought this on himself.

00:26:34.140 –> 00:26:39.600
I mean, you’re gonna bring that much on the island?

00:26:39.600 –> 00:26:42.940
Maybe he just had, like, a super hyper fixation

00:26:42.940 –> 00:26:45.580
that lasted his entire life.

00:26:45.580 –> 00:26:47.080
-He just was like… -That’s what it sounds like.

00:26:47.080 –> 00:26:50.080
“I am obsessed with these dolls. Very cute.”

00:26:50.080 –> 00:26:52.840
Are you– I’m sorry, are you insinuating that he, like,

00:26:52.840 –> 00:26:55.800
made up a story about a dead girl so that people would bring him dolls?

00:26:55.880 –> 00:26:56.880
Yeah.

00:26:56.880 –> 00:26:57.880
Okay.

00:26:57.880 –> 00:27:02.080
He was just like, “Damn, nobody’s going to give me a doll because I’m a grown man.”

00:27:02.080 –> 00:27:03.080
Yeah.

00:27:03.080 –> 00:27:04.600
I’m a grown old man on an island.

00:27:04.600 –> 00:27:05.880
And so no one’s going to do that.

00:27:05.880 –> 00:27:10.800
So I need to make up a story about a tiny dead child so that people will bring the tiny

00:27:10.800 –> 00:27:12.000
dead child dolls.

00:27:12.000 –> 00:27:13.000
Yeah.

00:27:13.000 –> 00:27:17.900
They’ll bring offerings of the dolls to her, but in fact, it will be me who wants the dolls.

00:27:17.900 –> 00:27:19.280
It was me all along.

00:27:19.280 –> 00:27:20.280
All along.

00:27:20.280 –> 00:27:23.280
I like that theory.

00:27:23.280 –> 00:27:25.540
(laughing)

00:27:25.540 –> 00:27:30.680
– Actually, that reminds me, it’s actually very similar.

00:27:30.680 –> 00:27:34.320
I had a child die in my backyard

00:27:34.320 –> 00:27:36.540
and that child really loved Oreos.

00:27:36.540 –> 00:27:40.800
So if everyone could just bring me Oreos for the child

00:27:40.800 –> 00:27:43.620
who I buried in my backyard because they died there.

00:27:43.620 –> 00:27:45.240
– Yeah, I had nothing to do with it.

00:27:45.240 –> 00:27:46.080
– Nothing to do with me.

00:27:46.080 –> 00:27:48.440
No spiders involved in these Oreos, please.

00:27:48.440 –> 00:27:50.240
– No, no spider Oreos.

00:27:50.240 –> 00:27:52.920
– No spider, no sporeos.

00:27:52.920 –> 00:27:54.360
(laughing)

00:27:54.360 –> 00:27:55.720
– Stop.

00:27:55.720 –> 00:27:56.800
That wasn’t good.

00:27:56.800 –> 00:27:58.080
And we both did it.

00:27:58.080 –> 00:27:59.280
(laughing)

00:27:59.280 –> 00:28:00.480
And it wasn’t good.

00:28:00.480 –> 00:28:02.140
– It was so stupid.

00:28:02.140 –> 00:28:04.120
(laughing)

00:28:04.120 –> 00:28:05.800
– I was really following you for a moment.

00:28:05.800 –> 00:28:07.480
I was just like, uh-huh.

00:28:07.480 –> 00:28:08.320
– Yeah.

00:28:08.320 –> 00:28:10.040
– That in the backyard?

00:28:10.040 –> 00:28:10.880
This one here?

00:28:10.880 –> 00:28:12.280
– This one here.

00:28:12.280 –> 00:28:13.120
– Oreos?

00:28:13.120 –> 00:28:13.940
– Oreos.

00:28:13.940 –> 00:28:16.040
– Spire.

00:28:16.040 –> 00:28:17.240
– Spireos.

00:28:17.240 –> 00:28:18.080
– Spireos.

00:28:18.080 –> 00:28:21.000
(laughing)

00:28:21.000 –> 00:28:24.740
– That’s my– – Dolls are creepy.

00:28:24.740 –> 00:28:27.480
– They are– – End of discussion.

00:28:27.480 –> 00:28:30.080
– Don’t own any.

00:28:30.080 –> 00:28:31.640
Don’t look at one.

00:28:31.640 –> 00:28:35.800
Oh, we haven’t seen Megan.

00:28:35.800 –> 00:28:37.200
– We haven’t seen Megan.

00:28:37.200 –> 00:28:39.720
That’s the closure to this story.

00:28:39.720 –> 00:28:41.240
We don’t know if this Robert,

00:28:41.240 –> 00:28:42.920
Ro, Robert. – Robert.

00:28:42.920 –> 00:28:44.880
– Robert the doll.

00:28:44.880 –> 00:28:47.120
(laughing)

00:28:47.120 –> 00:28:49.380
(laughing)

00:28:49.380 –> 00:28:53.680
– Robert, who’s Robert?

00:28:53.680 –> 00:28:58.240
I love that so much.

00:28:58.240 –> 00:29:02.120
– It’s the remake to Robert the doll.

00:29:02.120 –> 00:29:03.620
It’s just Robert the doll.

00:29:03.620 –> 00:29:04.460
– Mm-hmm.

00:29:04.460 –> 00:29:06.700
(laughing)

00:29:06.700 –> 00:29:11.900
Sounds like a knockoff one.

00:29:11.900 –> 00:29:13.180
– We’ll see Megan eventually.

00:29:13.180 –> 00:29:16.920
Robot dolls, it’s like a great, it’s like a good update.

00:29:16.920 –> 00:29:18.820
And I think it’s a lot better for it to be Megan

00:29:18.820 –> 00:29:20.360
than when they tried to reboot Chucky

00:29:20.360 –> 00:29:22.140
’cause they tried to reboot Chucky

00:29:22.140 –> 00:29:26.120
without the original founder on board.

00:29:26.120 –> 00:29:28.840
I keep saying founder, without the original writer.

00:29:28.840 –> 00:29:30.400
– Founding father.

00:29:30.400 –> 00:29:31.520
– Founding father.

00:29:31.520 –> 00:29:33.400
And that’s just crummy.

00:29:33.400 –> 00:29:35.560
– Did you ever see Ex Machina?

00:29:35.560 –> 00:29:38.040
– Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:29:38.040 –> 00:29:40.660
So robot episode when?

00:29:40.660 –> 00:29:41.500
– Robots.

00:29:43.220 –> 00:29:47.660
We’ll be back with our intentions in just a minute.

00:29:47.660 –> 00:30:07.060
Why’d she do that?

00:30:07.060 –> 00:30:11.320
She knows, she knows what she’s doing.

00:30:11.320 –> 00:30:13.180
She does that to me and I’m like, you’re right.

00:30:13.180 –> 00:30:17.420
I am worthless and I must do whatever you tell me.

00:30:17.420 –> 00:30:19.420
– She’s like, have you ever thought about–

00:30:19.420 –> 00:30:20.260
– My face.

00:30:20.260 –> 00:30:22.500
(laughing)

00:30:22.500 –> 00:30:27.560
– We get like extra giggly when we’re drinking.

00:30:27.560 –> 00:30:29.780
(laughing)

00:30:29.780 –> 00:30:31.640
It’s funny, I like it.

00:30:31.640 –> 00:30:34.700
We should only drink while recording.

00:30:34.700 –> 00:30:35.540
– Honestly.

00:30:35.540 –> 00:30:39.100
Yeah, it makes everything a little more loosey goosey.

00:30:40.660 –> 00:30:41.660
All right.

00:30:41.660 –> 00:30:44.460
Um, so intentions for the week.

00:30:44.460 –> 00:30:45.460
Yes.

00:30:45.460 –> 00:30:51.660
First off, I want to suggest to the three friends of ours who listen to our podcast.

00:30:51.660 –> 00:30:52.660
Yes.

00:30:52.660 –> 00:30:56.540
Every week, whenever you want, DM us, send us an intention of your own.

00:30:56.540 –> 00:31:00.660
We want to be able to like share other people’s intentions out into the universe as well.

00:31:00.660 –> 00:31:01.660
Yes.

00:31:01.660 –> 00:31:06.580
So either one of our personal ones or are going to start to send us an intention.

00:31:06.580 –> 00:31:08.220
Let us know what you want to do for the week.

00:31:08.220 –> 00:31:10.420
Let us know what you’re trying to manifest.

00:31:10.420 –> 00:31:12.820
let us know what you wanna happen.

00:31:12.820 –> 00:31:14.340
– Friends tell us things.

00:31:14.340 –> 00:31:18.260
– Let’s crowdfund some mysticism here

00:31:18.260 –> 00:31:21.380
and make what are wants realities.

00:31:21.380 –> 00:31:23.380
– Go fund me with thoughts.

00:31:23.380 –> 00:31:24.220
– Yes.

00:31:24.220 –> 00:31:26.180
– Okay, I like that.

00:31:26.180 –> 00:31:27.000
– All right, beautiful.

00:31:27.000 –> 00:31:30.460
For me, my intention for this week–

00:31:30.460 –> 00:31:32.580
– Is to focus, you fuck.

00:31:32.580 –> 00:31:33.420
– Fucking focus.

00:31:33.420 –> 00:31:35.760
(laughing)

00:31:35.760 –> 00:31:37.660
I, you know, I’ve

00:31:39.260 –> 00:31:43.780
I’ve been very blessed to have people who want me around

00:31:43.780 –> 00:31:46.660
and to help them things and to be involved

00:31:46.660 –> 00:31:48.380
in community and everything.

00:31:48.380 –> 00:31:50.040
– That’s so sweet.

00:31:50.040 –> 00:31:54.580
– But I happen to have a little bit of extra time this week

00:31:54.580 –> 00:31:56.740
that I can actually devote to things like school.

00:31:56.740 –> 00:32:00.340
So I really wanna be able, I just wanna like buckle down,

00:32:00.340 –> 00:32:03.660
get some stuff done ahead of time

00:32:03.660 –> 00:32:06.420
so that everything’s a little less like stressful.

00:32:08.500 –> 00:32:11.540
and then that gives me more time to work on this

00:32:11.540 –> 00:32:14.140
or work on my personal branding.

00:32:14.140 –> 00:32:17.300
I’d like to get back into videos and stuff.

00:32:17.300 –> 00:32:18.700
All these things I wanna do,

00:32:18.700 –> 00:32:22.120
I don’t know how people have time.

00:32:22.120 –> 00:32:27.580
But Lord knows I just need to cinch it together.

00:32:27.580 –> 00:32:29.060
– Yes.

00:32:29.060 –> 00:32:31.260
– So that’s my intention for the week.

00:32:31.260 –> 00:32:33.680
– I like it, very well, very well done.

00:32:35.820 –> 00:32:39.820
My intention, and I’m gonna go ahead and say specific

00:32:39.820 –> 00:32:41.540
because I’m gonna make it happen.

00:32:41.540 –> 00:32:42.380
– Yes.

00:32:42.380 –> 00:32:45.020
– I’m gonna, I’m currently reading American Psycho.

00:32:45.020 –> 00:32:45.960
– Yeah, you are.

00:32:45.960 –> 00:32:49.580
– I’m gonna finish it and I’m going to basically

00:32:49.580 –> 00:32:51.780
give y’all a book report.

00:32:51.780 –> 00:32:52.620
– Okay.

00:32:52.620 –> 00:32:54.980
– Of between the movie and the book.

00:32:54.980 –> 00:32:57.940
– Okay, so that’ll be what, like two episodes from now?

00:32:57.940 –> 00:33:02.900
– Yeah, I mean, I’m reading a little bit of it every night.

00:33:02.900 –> 00:33:05.420
It’s really, it’s hard to put down.

00:33:05.420 –> 00:33:08.020
I don’t know what called me to start reading it,

00:33:08.020 –> 00:33:11.120
but I just bought it and I’m reading it and I’m into it.

00:33:11.120 –> 00:33:13.300
And I’ve never seen the movie.

00:33:13.300 –> 00:33:17.820
– We should definitely, maybe instead of the one movie

00:33:17.820 –> 00:33:20.540
we were gonna watch, maybe we’ll watch that when you’re done.

00:33:20.540 –> 00:33:21.700
– Okay. – Like next week maybe,

00:33:21.700 –> 00:33:22.960
if we find time.

00:33:22.960 –> 00:33:24.180
– I will try and finish reading.

00:33:24.180 –> 00:33:25.940
– Yeah, I mean, whenever, whenever.

00:33:25.940 –> 00:33:28.620
– I’m like one fourth of the way through.

00:33:28.620 –> 00:33:32.260
– Oh, okay, so in a couple weeks, at some point,

00:33:32.260 –> 00:33:34.020
you’ll be done, we’ll watch the movie.

00:33:34.020 –> 00:33:35.260
but I do want to do it. – And we’ll make that

00:33:35.260 –> 00:33:37.460
an episode, we can discuss.

00:33:37.460 –> 00:33:40.340
– Yes, and ’cause you gave me that idea

00:33:40.340 –> 00:33:42.260
and that sounds awesome.

00:33:42.260 –> 00:33:45.980
Me just telling you that I was reading.

00:33:45.980 –> 00:33:47.180
– Yes, book report.

00:33:47.180 –> 00:33:50.380
– Book club.

00:33:50.380 –> 00:33:52.780
– Yes, all right, so everyone better start reading

00:33:52.780 –> 00:33:55.900
and then you can be prepared when that episode comes out.

00:33:55.900 –> 00:33:58.180
– Or if you don’t like reading, just watch the movie

00:33:58.180 –> 00:33:59.540
and I’ll tell you about the book.

00:33:59.540 –> 00:34:00.980
– There we go, there we go.

00:34:00.980 –> 00:34:02.980
I’m really interested to see what the differences are.

00:34:02.980 –> 00:34:04.460
– Me too. – So I’ve never read it,

00:34:04.460 –> 00:34:06.700
but I’ve watched it, and now you haven’t watched it,

00:34:06.700 –> 00:34:07.620
but you’re reading it.

00:34:07.620 –> 00:34:11.860
So I think when you do finally watch it,

00:34:11.860 –> 00:34:14.500
it’ll be interesting to see how somebody

00:34:14.500 –> 00:34:15.700
who’s never read the book

00:34:15.700 –> 00:34:17.300
versus somebody who read the book first.

00:34:17.300 –> 00:34:19.380
– Yes, yes. – That crossover,

00:34:19.380 –> 00:34:20.820
that’ll be interesting.

00:34:20.820 –> 00:34:25.820
– And you know, maybe it could also be a thing

00:34:25.820 –> 00:34:28.980
of some books that were made into movies.

00:34:28.980 –> 00:34:30.900
I’d like to see what the differences are.

00:34:30.900 –> 00:34:36.560
Oh, it’s super interesting how, like, what decisions they have to make to, like, cut

00:34:36.560 –> 00:34:40.460
down on time or sometimes they make changes because they’re like, “Well, that book ended

00:34:40.460 –> 00:34:42.860
stupidly so I don’t want to end it that way.”

00:34:42.860 –> 00:34:43.860
Yeah.

00:34:43.860 –> 00:34:46.060
I’m like, “I’m interested to see what the changes are.”

00:34:46.060 –> 00:34:47.900
So, we’ve said our intentions.

00:34:47.900 –> 00:34:48.900
Yes.

00:34:48.900 –> 00:34:51.300
Universe, hear our cries or whatever.

00:34:51.300 –> 00:34:53.780
Yeah, hear our cries or whatever.

00:34:53.780 –> 00:34:54.780
Woo!

00:34:54.780 –> 00:34:55.780
Woo!

00:34:55.780 –> 00:34:58.460
All right, guys, let us know what your intentions are.

00:34:58.460 –> 00:35:02.020
And until next week, I’ve been Jacob.

00:35:02.020 –> 00:35:03.020
I’ve been Reese.

00:35:03.020 –> 00:35:04.020
And that’s been Mabel.

00:35:04.020 –> 00:35:05.020
Goodbye.

00:35:05.020 –> 00:35:05.020
Goodbye.

00:35:05.020 –> 00:35:07.020
Goodbye!

00:35:07.020 –> 00:35:09.600
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00:35:09.600 –> 00:35:12.180
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00:35:12.180 –> 00:35:14.760
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00:35:14.760 –> 00:35:17.340
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THAT WITCH DOESN’T KILL YOU: GHOSTS II

That Witch Doesn’t Kill You returns for season three with a follow up to our Ghosts episode. This week Jacob and Reese explore skepticism, skinamarink, and other stories of super spooky specters.

Welcome to “That Which Doesn’t Kill You,” the podcast where Reese and I explore pop culture, dreadful things, and more. In our latest episode, we delve into the exciting world of ghosts, experimental horror, and queer creators in the horror genre.

During our recent Airbnb trip to Charlottesville, Reese and I watched “Skinamarink,” a 2022 Canadian experimental horror film that we couldn’t wait to discuss. The film’s atmospheric vibe and portrayal of childhood fears captivated us, making it a must-watch for those interested in unique cinematic experiences.

Our conversation also led us to explore the modern interpretation of ghosts. Many people believe that ghosts might be energy capable of manipulating technology, and we dug into this concept, sharing our thoughts and skepticism. Whether you’re a believer or just curious about the supernatural, our insights on ghosts and modern tools like EMF detectors are sure to intrigue you.

An important highlight of our episode is the celebration of queer creators in the horror genre. Our own experiences led to a thoughtful discussion on the subject, which we think resonates with many in our community.

Join Reese and me for a lively conversation filled with laughter, insights, and even an appearance by Mabel, our podcast dog. Listen to our episode on ghosts and experimental horror today, and don’t forget to follow us on Instagram to share your thoughts. If you’re interested in pop culture, queer topics in horror, and thoughtful discussions, “That Which Doesn’t Kill You” is the podcast for you.

Find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Transcript

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00:00,000 00:17,000 [Music]
00:17,000 00:22,000 I’m so excited for us. Mostly for me and a little bit for Mabel.
00:22,000 00:24,000 [Laughter]
00:24,000 00:26,000 You have no thoughts on me.
00:26,000 00:28,000 Who are you?
00:28,000 00:30,300 (sighs)
00:30,300 00:31,140 – Hi.
00:31,140 00:31,980 – Hi.
00:31,980 00:35,720 And hello to all of you.
00:35,720 00:38,920 Can’t believe we’re finally doing it again.
00:38,920 00:41,440 – Did you start?
00:41,440 00:44,280 – No, I’m just making words now.
00:44,280 00:46,120 Mabel, I really hope your little licking
00:46,120 00:49,640 doesn’t show up in the audio ’cause gross.
00:49,640 00:52,880 – We can only have one wet mouth person here
00:52,880 00:54,240 and that’s gonna be me.
00:54,240 00:55,080 – Mm-hmm.
00:56,520 00:58,780 (laughing)
00:58,780 01:01,980 – No, you’re so good Mabel, no.
01:01,980 01:05,080 Yeah, you just lay there.
01:05,080 01:06,760 You just look comfy, okay?
01:06,760 01:10,840 Hi friends, I’m Jacob and that’s Reese
01:10,840 01:13,440 and this is That Which Doesn’t Kill You,
01:13,440 01:15,880 podcast where we speak about pop culture, dreadful things
01:15,880 01:18,640 and end each episode by setting some intentions
01:18,640 01:20,240 for the following week.
01:20,240 01:23,940 – Today we’re talking about ghosts.
01:23,940 01:26,100 If you have any questions, comments or random thoughts
01:26,100 01:28,640 you’d like to start a future episode with,
01:28,640 01:31,180 send us a DM on Instagram on our new handle,
01:31,180 01:32,560 Argonauts.tube.
01:32,560 01:35,460 What should we talk about first?
01:35,460 01:37,600 – Skin on my rink!
01:37,600 01:38,520 – Loved it.
01:38,520 01:42,680 – She’s skinning my rink till my outwaters, am I right?
01:42,680 01:44,160 – I wanna hate you.
01:44,160 01:45,380 – That’s so mean.
01:45,380 01:46,760 (laughing)
01:46,760 01:50,440 Anyway, celebrate queer people making horror movies.
01:50,440 01:51,920 – Yes, yes.
01:51,920 01:55,560 – The rightful heirs to the genre.
01:55,560 01:57,460 – We know real horror.
01:57,460 01:58,780 – Honestly.
01:58,780 02:02,580 You’ve ever been in Kansas and queer at the same time?
02:02,580 02:03,540 You know.
02:03,540 02:06,460 – Have you been anywhere?
02:06,460 02:07,940 – Ever.
02:07,940 02:09,620 – And queer?
02:09,620 02:10,460 – Terrifying.
02:10,460 02:12,820 (laughing)
02:12,820 02:16,300 Guess, I guess like straight women are also,
02:16,300 02:18,380 they have some things to be scared about.
02:18,380 02:19,220 – Yeah.
02:19,220 02:20,060 – Also as well.
02:20,060 02:22,820 But more importantly.
02:22,820 02:23,660 – Yes.
02:24,540 02:26,800 (laughing)
02:26,800 02:31,800 – We watched it when we were at our Airbnb trip
02:31,800 02:35,700 to Charlottesville.
02:35,700 02:37,200 – Yes, we were in Charlottesville
02:37,200 02:38,220 and they didn’t have a TV,
02:38,220 02:40,220 so we were watching it on my computer.
02:40,220 02:41,700 – It was very vibes.
02:41,700 02:46,060 – Yes, it definitely added to the feeling of being like,
02:46,060 02:48,300 oh, look at this thing we just discovered
02:48,300 02:50,940 and now we’re watching it and it’s spooky.
02:50,940 02:53,340 Do you wanna give a general overview
02:53,340 02:56,540 kind of for those who haven’t seen it.
02:56,540 02:57,380 – Please do.
02:57,380 02:58,340 – Please do.
02:58,340 03:01,340 There’s not a lot of that can really be spoilery.
03:01,340 03:04,160 So don’t think that I have to like spoil you.
03:04,160 03:07,900 It’s a very like atmospheric kind of movie.
03:07,900 03:09,620 Like it’s more about how it makes you feel
03:09,620 03:10,620 than what it shows you.
03:10,620 03:13,660 – It’s one of those, I’d have to say like,
03:13,660 03:15,660 there’s not really like a plot
03:15,660 03:17,180 or something you’re going with.
03:17,180 03:19,100 Like you said, it’s like a vibe.
03:19,100 03:19,940 – Yeah.
03:22,440 03:23,800 – And maybe this sounds a bit dramatic,
03:23,800 03:25,400 but it’s almost an experience.
03:25,400 03:27,200 – Ooh, I like that.
03:27,200 03:28,400 Yes, come on, experience.
03:28,400 03:29,480 – Experience.
03:29,480 03:33,920 So according to the Skinny Meringue Wikipedia,
03:33,920 03:39,240 it’s a 2022 Canadian experimental horror film
03:39,240 03:41,960 written and directed by Kyle Edward Ball,
03:41,960 03:43,160 follow on Twitter,
03:43,160 03:47,920 and it’s featured directorial debut.
03:47,920 03:50,480 The film follows two children who wake up during the night
03:50,480 03:52,860 to discover that they cannot find their father
03:52,860 03:54,900 and that the windows, doors, and other objects
03:54,900 03:56,500 in their house are disappearing.
03:56,500 03:57,680 And then we go from there.
03:57,680 03:58,520 – Yeah.
03:58,520 04:02,460 A lot of like, most of the movie,
04:02,460 04:04,420 this is gonna make people who do not care
04:04,420 04:08,380 about experimental horror just like go dead in the eyes.
04:08,380 04:10,020 – Just dead, dead brain.
04:10,020 04:14,900 – Most of the movie is literally just noisy nighttime videos
04:14,900 04:17,220 of like weird angles of the house.
04:17,220 04:20,400 Like it’s not like you’re like watching
04:20,400 04:21,740 somebody have a discussion.
04:21,740 04:23,140 It’s not that kind of movie.
04:23,140 04:28,220 – Like even the dialogue that was in the movie,
04:28,220 04:32,300 like there had to be, or there were subtitles.
04:32,300 04:33,940 ‘Cause it was just like that quiet.
04:33,940 04:37,780 – Yeah, so quiet and also like the audio itself
04:37,780 04:42,500 being like difficult to hear and kind of echoey
04:42,500 04:44,300 on kind of like tinny.
04:44,300 04:47,020 Like it very much gives you that feeling
04:47,020 04:51,060 of being nine years old and awake at night
04:51,060 04:53,140 when you’re not supposed to. – And terrified, yeah.
04:53,140 04:56,460 Well, and there’s probably, when we watched it,
04:56,460 04:57,860 I think, from what I remember,
04:57,860 04:59,620 ’cause this is a few weeks ago now,
04:59,620 05:04,500 there was like two instances
05:04,500 05:06,900 where they were kind of jump scary to me,
05:06,900 05:10,560 and one of them I already knew about, the phone.
05:10,560 05:15,560 – Yeah, and even that, I mean, it wasn’t too jumpy.
05:15,740 05:16,820 – I knew it was gonna happen
05:16,820 05:18,900 and it still kind of startled me to see it.
05:18,900 05:21,940 But I think I told you this like after the fact as well,
05:21,940 05:24,780 but my favorite part of watching that movie
05:24,780 05:29,920 or like a movie I know that creeps you out
05:29,920 05:31,780 is hearing you go, “Oh no.”
05:31,780 05:34,180 (both laughing)
05:34,180 05:36,660 Like, then I know that like,
05:36,660 05:38,020 there’s some good shit happening.
05:38,020 05:41,220 – I’m like, very little gets to me.
05:41,220 05:43,500 But some things will just kind of remind me
05:43,500 05:45,740 of my own experiences of childhood.
05:45,740 05:49,500 And also I don’t like, I think most people would agree,
05:49,500 05:51,060 they don’t like when spooky,
05:51,060 05:53,060 spooky-ooky things happen to children.
05:53,060 05:53,900 – Yeah.
05:53,900 05:56,200 – And especially when you can kind of tell
05:56,200 05:58,180 and what they’re insinuating.
05:58,180 05:59,020 – Yeah.
05:59,020 06:02,260 – And you think of, this movie is very metaphorical
06:02,260 06:04,300 and everyone has their own interpretation of–
06:04,300 06:06,580 – If you leave things to my imagination,
06:06,580 06:09,100 I will come up with all the fucked up shit myself.
06:09,100 06:09,940 – Exactly.
06:09,940 06:10,780 – And that’s what this gave you.
06:10,780 06:11,620 – Yes.
06:11,620 06:16,620 I feel like a lot of us have had some type of experience
06:16,620 06:23,660 where we’ve had nightmares as kids.
06:23,660 06:26,860 We’ve had things going on in the house
06:26,860 06:29,660 that were uncomfortable or scary.
06:29,660 06:34,660 And that really put that in front of everything
06:34,660 06:37,380 to be like, look at this thing
06:37,380 06:40,300 and be here with your thoughts.
06:40,300 06:41,780 – And that was creepy.
06:41,780 06:42,820 Yeah.
06:42,820 06:47,820 It made me uncomfortable, but in a thoughtful, good way,
06:47,820 06:51,700 that this is what I wanted from this piece of media.
06:51,700 06:52,860 I liked it.
06:52,860 06:53,860 -100%
06:53,860 06:55,220 So if you haven’t seen “Skin and Mink”,
06:55,220 06:56,700 go find it on Shutter. – Please do.
06:56,700 06:58,560 – It’s totally worth the watch
06:58,560 07:01,900 and support queer movie makers.
07:01,900 07:03,380 He did pretty much everything.
07:03,380 07:08,380 He shot it, directed, filmed, wrote, edited, audio.
07:08,940 07:12,820 Like he did everything on like a little computer
07:12,820 07:14,820 with an Adobe subscription.
07:14,820 07:17,780 So go support this man.
07:17,780 07:21,200 On that note, let’s take a quick break.
07:21,200 07:23,060 Make sure the audio sounds okay.
07:23,060 07:25,420 Since we don’t know what we’re doing anymore
07:25,420 07:29,540 after what, two, three months of not recording anything.
07:29,540 07:31,460 – Don’t tell me about time.
07:31,460 07:32,420 – Time’s not real.
07:32,420 07:33,260 – It’s not.
07:33,260 07:34,080 – We’ll be right back.
07:34,080 07:34,920 – Okay. – Or will we?
07:34,920 07:37,500 (upbeat music)
07:37,500 07:40,080 (upbeat music)
07:40,080 07:51,100 All right, today, we’re back.
07:51,100 07:52,540 We’re back in the habit.
07:52,540 07:53,580 – We’re back in it.
07:53,580 07:58,580 – Now that’s, that’s, that’s how we’ll be over.
07:58,580 07:59,900 – I like how your microphone looks like
07:59,900 08:01,580 it’s giving you a little kiss on the cheek.
08:01,580 08:02,420 – It is.
08:02,420 08:03,260 (laughing)
08:03,260 08:04,700 Hello, I’ve missed you.
08:04,700 08:06,060 – Just a little dainty.
08:06,060 08:06,940 (kissing)
08:06,940 08:08,700 I feel like if I make any movements,
08:08,700 08:11,860 Mabel is like, I have to get up and look at what’s happening.
08:11,860 08:13,700 – She is sniffing everything.
08:13,700 08:17,460 – She’s like, no, no audio mixing for you.
08:17,460 08:18,300 – Ew.
08:18,300 08:21,900 – Please lay down.
08:21,900 08:22,720 (Mabel laughs)
08:22,720 08:23,780 You’re doing so good.
08:23,780 08:24,620 – Okay.
08:24,620 08:25,440 – There we go.
08:25,440 08:26,280 – Podcast dog.
08:26,280 08:27,120 – Podcast dog.
08:27,120 08:29,740 All right, so today, obviously,
08:29,740 08:32,420 you clicked on this at some point,
08:32,420 08:34,540 or somehow it ended up in your feed.
08:34,540 08:39,260 you’re not listening to the beautiful tones of Reese and I,
08:39,260 08:42,740 you likely know that today’s episode is Ghosts, part two.
08:42,740 08:44,060 – Part two.
08:44,060 08:46,500 – This one, I think,
08:46,500 08:47,820 it definitely is a little bit different format
08:47,820 08:48,660 from the first one.
08:48,660 08:50,020 The first one we were kind of just going over
08:50,020 08:53,020 like A through B on a list of like–
08:53,020 08:55,940 – The concept of ghosts, yes.
08:55,940 08:59,060 – So today I wanted to kind of delve into
09:00,200 09:04,920 kind of like the modern take on ghosts
09:04,920 09:08,440 and how we interact with them
09:08,440 09:11,440 and how people believe we interact with them
09:11,440 09:13,620 in like today’s day and age.
09:13,620 09:18,000 So obviously it’s not a new phenomenon.
09:18,000 09:19,880 Like it’s, ghosts have been something people
09:19,880 09:22,600 have been talking about forever times.
09:22,600 09:23,520 – Forever.
09:23,520 09:24,460 – Forever times.
09:24,460 09:30,040 But a lot of people, they believe that
09:30,040 09:33,640 that ghosts are capable of manipulating technology
09:33,640 09:37,120 and showing up on temperature scans
09:37,120 09:41,600 and videos and photographs and et cetera.
09:41,600 09:45,240 – Well, a lot of people will believe ghosts,
09:45,240 09:48,080 believe in ghosts in a different way.
09:48,080 09:52,480 I personally believe ghosts are like an energy.
09:52,480 09:54,000 So it makes sense that they would be able
09:54,000 09:56,840 to manipulate other types of energy.
09:56,840 09:58,720 – Right, no, for sure.
09:58,720 10:00,460 I think it’s one of those things where like,
10:00,460 10:02,160 I mean, obviously we have witch in the title,
10:02,160 10:05,280 so we can’t, we’re not gonna be as skeptical
10:05,280 10:09,860 as your favorite NPR science podcast might be.
10:09,860 10:11,160 But–
10:11,160 10:12,200 – Mine personally?
10:12,200 10:13,040 – Yours personally.
10:13,040 10:14,520 I know you listen to all of them.
10:14,520 10:17,200 – I am so NPR.
10:17,200 10:20,800 – But I mean, we’ve spent a lot of time
10:20,800 10:24,080 watching like videos on YouTube or whatever.
10:24,080 10:24,920 – Yeah, experts.
10:24,920 10:28,700 – Most of the time, I will literally be like, fake.
10:28,700 10:33,360 No, absolutely not, not real, shenanigans.
10:33,360 10:34,200 – Yeah.
10:34,200 10:36,360 – Absolutely not.
10:36,360 10:39,840 – Do not, will not.
10:39,840 10:41,840 – But I don’t think that takes away from
10:41,840 10:47,880 my own personal beliefs and things beyond our understanding.
10:47,880 10:48,720 – Yeah.
10:48,720 10:51,360 – And we’ve talked before about how like a lot of things
10:51,360 10:55,080 that we do now would have seemed like magic
10:55,080 10:56,600 to people 500 years ago.
10:56,600 11:01,880 And a lot of the things that people believed 500 years ago,
11:01,880 11:04,860 especially in Eastern medicine,
11:04,860 11:09,520 have turned out to be somewhat useful in modern medicine
11:09,520 11:14,240 and in ways that we wouldn’t have known about
11:14,240 11:18,080 or even been able to process.
11:18,080 11:19,920 So maybe, like you said,
11:19,920 11:23,240 maybe the fact that they’re like an energy,
11:23,240 11:26,560 maybe that does kind of lend itself
11:26,560 11:29,840 to being able to capture them in certain ways
11:29,840 11:34,480 and with temperature or electricity, like whatever.
11:34,480 11:36,240 – Yeah, we’re getting the tools and things like that.
11:36,240 11:39,760 – Yeah, so speaking of those tools,
11:39,760 11:42,100 EMF detectors and EVP recorders,
11:42,100 11:44,720 I think the biggest drawback
11:44,720 11:46,000 and the thing that people always point out
11:46,000 11:48,060 with these kinds of tools is that
11:48,060 11:52,860 when you’re measuring radar sensing
11:52,860 11:55,620 and waves and microwaves and stuff,
11:55,620 12:00,220 all sorts of things can give off an electromagnetic field.
12:00,220 12:03,620 Like the wiring in your walls are gonna give that off.
12:03,620 12:07,020 So when you find super high readings of things
12:07,020 12:10,380 in old castles in England that don’t have any wires,
12:10,380 12:12,340 sure, that’s gonna be a little bit more
12:12,340 12:17,380 quote unquote evidential than if you do it here
12:17,380 12:20,180 where I have literally like six screens in his room.
12:20,180 12:25,180 – Yeah, like my rational brain cannot give a reason
12:25,180 12:29,900 to why that phenomena is happening at that point.
12:29,900 12:33,620 And that’s fascinating to me, I love that.
12:33,620 12:36,480 – So, Memrise, I sent you that thing about how,
12:36,480 12:40,300 so I have a, for those who don’t know,
12:40,300 12:44,500 I have a longstanding belief that chopsticks,
12:44,500 12:46,700 like people who use chopsticks are just using it
12:46,700 12:48,200 to like look cool.
12:48,200 12:50,300 Like, I’m like, use the tool
12:50,300 12:52,700 that makes the most amount of sense.
12:52,700 12:54,700 And you know what, sometimes it’s easier
12:54,700 12:57,660 to just cut things open, okay?
12:57,660 13:00,660 Sometimes you don’t need to use little wooden sticks
13:00,660 13:01,820 to pick things up.
13:01,820 13:03,660 – Just say you’re not good at it.
13:03,660 13:05,300 – I’m lovely at everything.
13:05,300 13:07,860 I’ve never failed once in my life.
13:07,860 13:10,740 But I very recently sent to you like,
13:10,740 13:15,020 hey, it turns out there is a scientific benefit.
13:15,020 13:16,100 – Reason.
13:16,100 13:19,020 The more you move that, the more it’s gonna mess up my audio.
13:19,020 13:20,400 – I’m so sorry.
13:20,400 13:24,340 I can’t find a comfortable place.
13:24,340 13:25,180 Okay, I’m fine.
13:25,180 13:26,000 – You don’t need to be comfortable,
13:26,000 13:28,260 you need to be able to be heard.
13:28,260 13:29,900 – Please don’t hurt me.
13:29,900 13:30,880 Okay, I’m good.
13:30,880 13:33,820 Everything’s fine.
13:33,820 13:34,660 – Just bullying you.
13:34,660 13:36,460 (both laughing)
13:36,460 13:37,420 – Everything’s fine.
13:37,420 13:38,580 – He likes it.
13:38,580 13:39,940 – What?
13:39,940 13:41,140 – Anyway, as I was saying.
13:41,140 13:41,980 – Send help.
13:43,100 13:47,140 – There’s like scientific effects
13:47,140 13:52,140 that the wood processes upon the salt ions in food
13:52,140 13:57,340 to make it taste different when you’re using chopsticks
13:57,340 13:59,020 versus not using chopsticks.
13:59,020 14:00,380 My point to that is–
14:00,380 14:01,500 – Ghost chopsticks.
14:01,500 14:03,380 – Ghost chopsticks, yes.
14:03,380 14:08,140 I’m sure there’s ways that a certain building material
14:08,140 14:10,860 might give off an electromagnetic field.
14:10,860 14:12,060 – Okay, I’m fine.
14:12,060 14:13,580 – I got the long way around. – I literally was not
14:13,580 14:15,180 following you up until you said that.
14:15,180 14:17,140 – I did have a mini rant in there.
14:17,140 14:19,020 – No, I’m following now, yes.
14:19,020 14:21,420 – You know, you can’t say for sure,
14:21,420 14:27,540 I mean, a house built of horse hair and mud
14:27,540 14:30,060 is probably going to conduct electricity differently
14:30,060 14:34,120 than one made of sheet metal or whatever.
14:34,120 14:41,140 So there is no current way to measure things
14:41,140 14:44,480 things and so people are skeptics are gonna say,
14:44,480 14:46,420 Well, then it’s not real.
14:46,420 14:49,560 But there were things that we didn’t believe were real.
14:49,560 14:50,800 There are a lot of flat earthers
14:50,800 14:53,660 who still don’t believe the planet is round
14:53,660 14:56,400 and we have the technology to prove that it is.
14:56,400 14:59,840 – Well, in these types of, these tools that
14:59,840 15:06,040 like paranormal investigators come up with or use
15:06,040 15:10,440 and even like were not originally used for paranormal
15:10,440 15:13,920 recordings but can be used now.
15:13,920 15:18,440 But things like, I forgot what it was called,
15:18,440 15:20,040 but it was like, have you seen those ones
15:20,040 15:23,780 where it looks like the stick figure is moving around?
15:23,780 15:25,640 It’s like a little stick figure.
15:25,640 15:27,100 It’s not like a thermal camera,
15:27,100 15:29,320 but it’s like a camera that will show
15:29,320 15:30,920 if there’s some type of figure.
15:30,920 15:33,680 – Oh, you’re talking about the ones where it picks up–
15:33,680 15:36,600 – I don’t even know what it’s looking for.
15:36,600 15:38,160 – So I think I know what you’re talking about.
15:38,160 15:41,640 There’s like the, ’cause they make them out of the old
15:41,640 15:43,440 like Xbox Kinect trackers.
15:43,440 15:45,960 – Yes, yes. – Where it tries to track
15:45,960 15:47,800 the shape of a human being. – Exactly.
15:47,800 15:49,120 That is a perfect example.
15:49,120 15:54,120 So something that is made to find a figure in a room.
15:54,120 15:55,200 – And it’ll track things.
15:55,200 15:59,160 – And you see it, a little stick figure on all fours.
15:59,160 16:01,840 – And it’s usually using like LIDAR detection,
16:01,840 16:04,760 which is basically sending out a signal
16:04,760 16:08,100 and then when the signal is bounced back,
16:08,100 16:12,500 it tries to measure what it’s seen.
16:12,500 16:13,560 – Echolocation.
16:13,560 16:15,060 – Echolocation, exactly.
16:15,060 16:19,180 And so like with that kind of stuff, it’s like.
16:19,180 16:23,700 – See, and when stuff like that shows a human figure
16:23,700 16:28,340 in a room where there is nothing, I’m dead already.
16:28,340 16:33,340 – But again, with me being a non-skeptic skeptic,
16:37,460 16:42,460 Who’s to say it’s not picking up on dust particles or it’s AI?
16:42,460 16:44,180 – In the shape of a human?
16:44,180 16:45,700 – Well, it doesn’t necessarily have to be
16:45,700 16:46,540 in the shape of human.
16:46,540 16:51,540 The AI or the tracking software just has to see,
16:51,540 16:56,820 oh, maybe that is a similar distance to over there.
16:56,820 16:58,620 Maybe that’s a shoulder.
16:58,620 17:01,180 Or that’s a similar distance to a human’s head.
17:01,180 17:05,020 – Oh, okay, so you’re saying like the software is putting–
17:05,020 17:05,980 – It’s guessing.
17:05,980 17:08,080 – Yeah, it’s putting together a human figure
17:08,080 17:09,700 even when there is not. – Yeah, exactly.
17:09,700 17:14,700 So if it sees 30 points and they happen to fall
17:14,700 17:17,780 in the same line, it’s gonna think it’s a human being.
17:17,780 17:21,640 – Okay, what if there was a creepypasta
17:21,640 17:26,640 about using the Xbox or PS, those systems?
17:26,640 17:30,580 – I brought that up because they literally do use
17:30,580 17:35,220 the old Kinect cameras to do that kind of stuff.
17:35,220 17:40,220 And I’m like, I appreciate the ingenuity
17:40,220 17:43,420 of using something for an unintended purpose
17:43,420 17:46,640 to kind of, but it doesn’t make it scientific
17:46,640 17:49,220 if it can’t be tested and proven.
17:49,220 17:52,940 – How would you test that?
17:52,940 17:54,220 – There’s not a way at the moment.
17:54,220 17:56,700 And that’s why people are like,
17:56,700 17:58,500 there’s a difference between saying,
17:58,500 18:03,240 this is unprovable or like, this is unproven.
18:03,240 18:05,300 we can’t prove that ghosts exist,
18:05,300 18:07,240 and saying we can’t prove that ghosts exist
18:07,240 18:09,120 so they don’t exist.
18:09,120 18:10,200 – Yeah. – Because what about
18:10,200 18:11,040 dark matter?
18:11,040 18:13,000 I’m sure a lot of people thought that dark matter
18:13,000 18:14,360 doesn’t exist, and now we know it does.
18:14,360 18:15,400 – Yeah. – So like,
18:15,400 18:20,840 I think in a very similar way where I can see
18:20,840 18:23,480 dust particles setting off a sensor,
18:23,480 18:28,480 I can also see maybe there is a certain energy field
18:28,480 18:31,080 with all the neurons in our brain,
18:31,080 18:35,640 we just pick up on something and it misfires in a certain way.
18:35,640 18:39,000 – You could stare into a dark room for a long time,
18:39,000 18:46,040 your mind is going to see something ’cause it’s putting together what you would see.
18:46,040 18:47,560 – Skin of Marie.
18:47,560 18:48,600 – Hey. – Check it out.
18:48,600 18:50,120 – That’s what the whole movie’s about.
18:50,120 18:54,200 I mean, it’s very interesting.
18:54,200 18:57,080 A lot of people definitely, they put a lot of,
18:57,080 19:03,240 kind of sees ghosts as something that has an intention
19:03,240 19:05,080 and it’s purposely trying to do something.
19:05,080 19:06,840 – Yeah. – And I think more likely,
19:06,840 19:12,440 I can see a certain energy signature that kind of lingers.
19:12,440 19:13,160 You know what I mean?
19:13,160 19:16,760 Something that, energy goes somewhere.
19:16,760 19:18,600 – Yeah. – And it has to dissipate.
19:18,600 19:22,440 Nothing can matter, cannot be created nor destroyed, et cetera.
19:22,440 19:24,440 I like science.
19:24,440 19:25,440 Science.
19:25,440 19:31,000 So there’s going to be so many science people one day when we’re massively famous and they’re
19:31,000 19:34,080 going to hear this episode and be like, “None of that is scientific.”
19:34,080 19:35,080 That’s fine.
19:35,080 19:39,680 That’s when we know we’ve made it, when we have haters.
19:39,680 19:41,360 Come on, bring the haters.
19:41,360 19:42,840 Let your haters be your motivators.
19:42,840 19:43,840 Thank you.
19:43,840 19:44,840 As they say.
19:44,840 19:45,840 I’m going to say.
19:45,840 19:46,840 Let’s take a break.
19:46,840 19:47,840 Okay.
19:47,840 19:49,160 And then we get back.
19:49,160 19:52,240 we’ll cover some of your pop culture ideas
19:52,240 19:54,940 that these kind of things have.
19:54,940 19:56,500 – Nice, we’ll be right back.
19:56,500 19:57,340 – Beat, R, beat.
19:57,340 19:59,920 (upbeat music)
19:59,920 20:07,240 And we’re back.
20:07,240 20:10,880 We have 20 minutes until our food comes,
20:10,880 20:14,040 so we gotta finish this episode.
20:14,040 20:14,960 – Really, in 20 minutes?
20:14,960 20:16,760 – Take it away, Reese.
20:16,760 20:21,760 So I wanted to talk about one of my favorite topics,
20:21,760 20:24,160 ghost Pokemon.
20:24,160 20:25,240 – Yeah, come on nerd.
20:25,240 20:29,240 – I just recently got a, yeah,
20:29,240 20:31,320 I just recently got a Gengar tattoo.
20:31,320 20:34,120 It’s healing, it’s itchy, looks good.
20:34,120 20:37,480 Rocky scratched it, which is fine.
20:37,480 20:39,360 – Does it have like a gnarly scar now?
20:39,360 20:41,920 – He’s got a little scar on his forehead, yes.
20:41,920 20:42,760 – Is it gonna be permanent?
20:42,760 20:44,900 Is it never gonna heal?
20:44,900 20:45,960 – I don’t know, we’ll see.
20:45,960 20:48,520 We’ll see if it heals and I like it,
20:48,520 20:49,360 I’m just gonna leave it like that.
20:49,360 20:50,180 – There we go.
20:50,180 20:51,600 I’ve never cut one of my tattoos,
20:51,600 20:53,280 so I don’t know how that affects it.
20:53,280 20:55,640 – Yeah, this is a first for me.
20:55,640 20:58,160 I told my tattoo artist, I was like,
20:58,160 21:00,920 Hey, so just FYI next time you see me,21:00,920;21:05,000;Gengar’s gonna have a really weird scar.”
21:05,000 21:06,240 – He’s been in a bar fight.
21:06,240 21:09,040 – Yeah, it’s freaking, looks great.
21:09,040 21:13,360 Anyway, so, Ghost Pokemon.
21:13,360 21:18,360 I just pulled up my five favorite.
21:18,360 21:24,460 I’ve liked ghost Pokemon ever since watching Pokemon
21:24,460 21:29,360 from way back when with Sabrina in that episode.
21:29,360 21:31,120 – The teenage witch?
21:31,120 21:35,280 – No, there was an episode in the old school Pokemon
21:35,280 21:38,760 where the first time Ash met the ghost Pokemon
21:38,760 21:43,120 was when he went to go fight the psychic chick,
21:43,120 21:44,680 – Sabrina.
21:44,680 21:45,640 – Okay, nerd.
21:45,640 21:47,960 (both laughing)
21:47,960 21:49,200 – I did not have to look this up.
21:49,200 21:50,240 This is something I knew.
21:50,240 21:53,840 – What I’ve always liked about the ghost Pokemon
21:53,840 21:56,320 is just the way that they’re inspired by the myths
21:56,320 22:01,160 and the cultural beliefs of ghosts.
22:01,160 22:02,800 I do find that really interesting,
22:02,800 22:07,800 the way you can adapt that into new media types.
22:07,800 22:09,080 – Yes.
22:09,080 22:11,600 – Like a thousand years ago,
22:11,600 22:13,920 they were not, when they were first thinking like,
22:13,920 22:16,320 Hey, I bet that dead person’s still here.
22:16,320 22:18,080 They weren’t like, “One day, somebody’s gonna make
22:18,080 22:20,040 little playing cards out of this.
22:20,040 22:22,040 – It’s gonna be a pocket monster.
22:22,040 22:23,800 – Right, like nobody was thinking that.
22:23,800 22:25,600 So it’s very interesting just kind of how
22:25,600 22:26,720 these ideas kind of–
22:26,720 22:29,600 – Well, like Pokemon lore was always inherently
22:29,600 22:31,240 like almost kind of creepy.
22:31,240 22:32,520 – Yeah.
22:32,520 22:35,760 – The Pokedex entries, you know, for some Pokemon
22:35,760 22:39,840 that aren’t ghost or psychic, pretty fucked up.
22:39,840 22:42,880 – Can you imagine though, if in this day and age,
22:42,880 22:44,680 it makes sense in the 90s,
22:44,680 22:47,700 we had an entire type of creature
22:47,700 22:49,900 based on like scaring children.
22:49,900 22:50,940 – Yeah.
22:50,940 22:52,300 – Could you imagine them doing that today?
22:52,300 22:55,820 They’re so like, they like pussyfoot around everything
22:55,820 22:57,740 and they like try to like make everything,
22:57,740 23:00,460 we can’t show our children this horrible thing.
23:00,460 23:01,660 In the 90s, they were like–
23:01,660 23:02,820 – In the 90s?
23:02,820 23:06,060 – What if this dog was terrified of a potato?
23:06,060 23:09,220 Like, I don’t know what courage the cowardly dog is about,
23:09,220 23:10,380 but that sounds right.
23:10,380 23:11,660 (Bridget laughs)
23:11,660 23:14,020 – That’s the whole concept of the show.
23:14,020 23:16,260 You know, I knew you were talking about courage,
23:16,260 23:17,540 and then you mentioned the potato,
23:17,540 23:20,460 and I was like, I don’t remember episode with the potato,
23:20,460 23:22,500 but I’m gonna go with it, ’cause this is my friend,
23:22,500 23:23,540 and I support it.
23:23,540 23:24,380 – Thank you.
23:24,380 23:25,500 (Bridget laughs)
23:25,500 23:28,660 – But yes, exactly, that’s a perfect example of just like,
23:28,660 23:34,080 there, that’s probably why we are the way we are,
23:34,080 23:37,620 but we got so scared by things,
23:37,620 23:42,380 and scared by media that was directed to kids.
23:42,380 23:43,340 – Yeah.
23:43,340 23:47,300 – Like there’s whole, you can find whole YouTube episodes
23:47,300 23:49,940 and channels about like childhood trauma
23:49,940 23:51,740 based off of media.
23:51,740 23:52,580 Love it.
23:52,580 23:57,300 So my first one I talked about was Gengar.
23:57,300 24:02,300 So in Pokemon Shield, his Pokedex says,
24:02,300 24:05,820 It lays traps hoping to steal the lives24:05,820;24:06,920;of those it catches.
24:06,920 24:08,660 If you stand in front of its mouth,
24:08,660 24:12,200 you’ll hear your loved one’s voices calling out to you.
24:12,200 24:13,280 That’s so creepy.
24:13,280 24:14,680 – Terrifying. – I love it.
24:14,680 24:18,560 – Very strong poltergeist kind of aesthetic.
24:18,560 24:21,440 – Yes.
24:21,440 24:25,680 And I mean, he just is always just a smiley dude.
24:25,680 24:26,840 I love him.
24:26,840 24:30,240 I don’t know why in particular I’ve always loved Gengar,
24:30,240 24:33,360 even as a kid, just ’cause he was like the smiling
24:33,360 24:36,640 and weird and laughing and purple.
24:36,640 24:38,880 – Yeah, he does, I mean, of all the Pokemon,
24:38,880 24:40,760 he does look like a pillow.
24:40,760 24:43,080 – Yes, squish squish.
24:43,080 24:44,280 – A big purple pillow.
24:44,280 24:45,120 – I love it.
24:45,120 24:50,440 And number two on my list was one I thought of
24:50,440 24:53,240 when I think of you.
24:53,240 24:54,080 – Oh.
24:54,080 24:55,080 – The Mistrevious.
24:55,080 24:57,320 – Yes, my queen.
24:57,320 25:00,240 – In Pokemon Emerald Pokedex,
25:00,240 25:03,440 a Mistrevious frightens people with a creepy sobbing cry.
25:03,440 25:06,800 It apparently uses its red spheres to absorb fear
25:06,800 25:08,940 of foes as its nutrition.
25:08,940 25:10,000 So that necklace.
25:10,000 25:10,840 – Yeah.
25:10,840 25:12,280 – Which I was like, oh, she fancy.
25:12,280 25:13,360 – Dope, dope as fuck.
25:13,360 25:15,320 I mean, first of all, fashion sense.
25:15,320 25:16,160 – Fashion.
25:16,160 25:18,000 – Okay, not only is she a ghost,
25:18,000 25:20,080 she has the witch aesthetic as well.
25:20,080 25:20,920 – Yes, I love that.
25:20,920 25:25,920 – Like who better to be on my team of seven Pokemon,
25:25,920 25:28,820 beating up other Pokemon.
25:28,820 25:30,240 – What was the…
25:30,240 25:35,240 – What’s the evolution?
25:35,240 25:37,560 Miss Magus?
25:37,560 25:38,380 – Yeah.
25:38,380 25:39,220 – Yes, okay.
25:39,220 25:41,080 I love that one too.
25:41,080 25:44,000 But I put Miss Trevious ’cause that was the one I had.
25:44,000 25:45,160 – Also purple.
25:45,160 25:50,040 Is there like a Japanese rooted reason
25:50,040 25:52,200 for all the purple ghost Pokemon?
25:52,200 25:53,040 – Why?
25:53,040 25:55,880 – ‘Cause you, I mean, I don’t know who made it.
25:55,880 25:57,120 Or is it just they were like–
25:57,120 25:59,800 – I was like, why in particular?
25:59,800 26:01,200 – Everyone, why apples?
26:01,200 26:02,720 This is not a crazy question.
26:02,720 26:03,720 – Wait, hold on.
26:03,720 26:07,840 Why is purple a spooky color?
26:07,840 26:10,240 – Because, you know, a European country
26:10,240 26:12,000 might have made like a–
26:12,000 26:13,920 – Maple, please. – Purple would be like royalty,
26:13,920 26:16,400 not necessarily like spookies. – Maple.
26:16,400 26:18,440 – And then they have the poison type
26:18,440 26:19,880 and they’re all purple.
26:19,880 26:22,840 So I do wonder if there’s a reason.
26:22,840 26:27,240 – I believe here,
26:27,240 26:30,560 is often associated with magic and witchcraft.
26:30,560 26:32,040 – Okay. – But why?
26:32,040 26:33,760 You tell me, you’re the witch.
26:33,760 26:36,440 – It pretty.
26:36,440 26:38,800 (both laughing)
26:38,800 26:42,920 – Wait, according to legend, this is just from Google,
26:42,920 26:45,320 for instance, a purple door is sometimes used
26:45,320 26:47,080 to mark the home of a witch.
26:47,080 26:47,900 – I mean, it makes sense.
26:47,900 26:49,200 I mean, purple is like related.
26:49,200 26:51,240 It’s like the, so you know when you think of
26:51,240 26:55,320 like the pentagram, and it has the four elements,
26:55,320 26:59,560 And those all come down to the red, green, blue, et cetera.
26:59,560 27:04,320 The fifth one is generally the ether,
27:04,320 27:07,960 like the spiritual concept, and that tends to be purple.
27:07,960 27:09,440 So I guess that makes sense.
27:09,440 27:11,040 – Okay. – They’re just going off of that.
27:11,040 27:12,640 But I didn’t think about that.
27:12,640 27:16,200 – Well, ’cause it’s like, I guess you could just,
27:16,200 27:20,280 I mean, black is a creepy, spooky color,
27:20,280 27:22,280 but if you just make all of them black,
27:22,280 27:25,000 and maybe they just did it to widen the palette of things.
27:25,000 27:28,480 Yeah. And I feel like it’s probably especially when you’re thinking of like.
27:28,480 27:33,600 Back in the day when it was all just like the black pixels,
27:33,600 27:37,520 none of them had they didn’t.
27:37,520 27:40,440 The color wasn’t as big of a deal when it came to the actual game,
27:40,440 27:44,660 but it was still represented on like the cards and the show and stuff.
27:44,660 27:47,240 So I feel like these are more new.
27:47,240 27:49,540 But Gengar was very it was an older one.
27:49,540 27:52,900 Yeah, I think in the manga he was black. Yeah.
27:54,400 27:55,400 Very interesting.
27:55,400 28:00,780 But speaking of color, my next one was Bennett,
28:00,780 28:03,620 which is like the puppet Pokemon with the zippers.
28:03,620 28:06,700 That Pokemon is like gray.
28:06,700 28:08,960 Yeah, and that makes sense, too.
28:08,960 28:10,380 Yeah. Dark gray.
28:10,380 28:11,500 I want a plushy of it.
28:11,500 28:13,800 I want it.
28:13,800 28:16,960 This one, according to the Pokédex and Pokémon Violet,
28:16,960 28:20,800 strong feelings of hatred turned a puppet into a Pokémon.
28:20,800 28:24,020 If it opens its mouth, its cursed energy escapes.
28:24,060 28:26,820 -Nice. Very, very Annabelle. -Yes.
28:26,820 28:29,160 -Very, very Chucky. -Very doll.
28:29,160 28:30,440 Very Robert the Doll.
28:30,440 28:31,740 (LAUGHTER)
28:31,740 28:35,400 And I’m like, “I need one. I want one so bad.”
28:35,400 28:39,000 -Vibes. -I loved it. I liked that one.
28:39,000 28:40,380 Um…
28:40,380 28:44,800 Once I got it in the game, I was like, “I had it with me
28:44,800 28:48,800 for such a long time, even though it was getting its ass kicked,
28:48,800 28:52,180 but it doesn’t matter, because I had it and I was happy.”
28:52,180 28:53,640 (LAUGHTER)
28:54,020 28:58,700 I just love the, I specifically love the designs of these like ghost and psycho
28:58,700 28:59,500 Pokemon’s too.
28:59,500 29:04,000 Like, I mean, it makes sense for our, our vibe, our aesthetic.
29:04,000 29:05,700 We tend to like zippers on the mouth and eyes.
29:05,700 29:06,000 Yeah.
29:06,000 29:09,420 Like it’s very, I mean, it’s very interesting.
29:09,420 29:11,360 I just like how they kind of adapt.
29:11,360 29:15,020 Um, and that’s, that’s a relatively newer Pokemon too.
29:15,020 29:15,520 Yeah.
29:15,520 29:20,140 My last one is Mimikyu.
29:20,140 29:23,580 A, that’s another kind of puppety one, right?
29:23,740 29:27,980 – Yes, according to Pokemon Ultra Moon,
29:27,980 29:33,260 Pokedex, a gust of wind revealed what hides
29:33,260 29:36,740 under this Pokemon’s rag to a passing trainer
29:36,740 29:39,180 who went home and died painfully that very night.
29:39,180 29:42,100 – This is the one that earlier when you read that to me,
29:42,100 29:44,060 I was like, ah, le petit mort.
29:44,060 29:45,380 – Yeah, I was like–
29:45,380 29:47,100 – A little orgasm moment.
29:47,100 29:49,660 – I was like, the way that makes it sound like
29:49,660 29:52,380 this Pokemon is just wearing like a short skirt.
29:52,380 29:54,660 – Yeah, flash somebody and they die.
29:54,660 29:55,980 – A little Marilyn Monroe moment.
29:55,980 29:57,380 – And then you die.
29:57,380 30:00,300 Gross.
30:00,300 30:03,300 I have a plushie of Mimikyu.
30:03,300 30:05,700 – Cute.
30:05,700 30:07,040 – That’s one I’ve always liked too
30:07,040 30:09,220 because I didn’t really understand what it was.
30:09,220 30:11,540 Like it’s supposed to be some type of creature
30:11,540 30:15,940 that is supposed to be like all sad and cute,
30:15,940 30:19,380 but it wears a costume of Pikachu
30:19,380 30:21,840 so it doesn’t wanna like scare people.
30:21,840 30:23,360 And then when you’re battling it,
30:23,360 30:28,040 when it’s disguise breaks, it’s neck breaks.
30:28,040 30:29,440 And I always thought that was cool.
30:29,440 30:34,440 – Well, and I feel like any of the types of Pokemon
30:34,440 30:38,360 that are based on weird things,
30:38,360 30:42,680 they should have those kind of extra little spooky touches.
30:42,680 30:44,940 And I’m surprised more of them don’t.
30:44,940 30:49,940 – Yeah, specifically for Mimikyu, I think that’s brilliant.
30:50,240 30:53,320 Pokemon, nobody knows what it actually looks like.
30:53,320 30:56,800 It is under a rag that looks like a different Pokemon.
30:56,800 30:57,640 – Just like me.
30:57,640 31:00,260 – Just like you.
31:00,260 31:04,080 (laughing)
31:04,080 31:05,520 That’s what I’ve always said.
31:05,520 31:09,240 I love them, I love them so much.
31:09,240 31:10,240 And my babies.
31:10,240 31:11,080 – Little babies.
31:11,080 31:12,120 – I just want more.
31:12,120 31:15,120 – Thank you for walking us through some of these.
31:15,120 31:19,140 I feel like eventually we’re gonna have,
31:20,040 31:21,520 As we develop more of an audience,
31:21,520 31:23,360 like we’ve gotta find those nerds
31:23,360 31:24,740 who just wanna talk about the things
31:24,740 31:25,880 that we wanna talk about.
31:25,880 31:26,720 – Yes, I can talk about these for–
31:26,720 31:29,320 – I’m like, we gotta get them a backlog to–
31:29,320 31:31,860 – Yeah, let’s sit down and talk about
31:31,860 31:33,300 these things for a while.
31:33,300 31:34,140 – Yeah.
31:34,140 31:35,040 – There’s a taste of it.
31:35,040 31:35,880 – Ooh, a taste.
31:35,880 31:37,360 (laughing)
31:37,360 31:39,760 Well, let’s go ahead, we’ll take a quick break,
31:39,760 31:41,280 and then we’ll come back and we can set
31:41,280 31:43,520 kind of our intentions for the next week.
31:43,520 31:46,680 And talk a little bit about what our plans are.
31:46,680 31:47,520 – Sounds good.
31:47,520 31:48,840 – I’m ups–
31:48,840 31:55,840 And we’re back.
31:55,840 31:56,840 Hello.
31:56,840 31:57,840 Hi there.
31:57,840 32:00,840 Oh, Mabel’s like, I just got down and now you’re excited.
32:00,840 32:02,840 I have to hear you.
32:02,840 32:03,840 I know.
32:03,840 32:06,840 Oh, she’s so.
32:06,840 32:08,840 She’s come on.
32:08,840 32:10,840 Get back up here.
32:10,840 32:13,840 Oh my goodness.
32:13,840 32:15,840 All right, so let’s talk about our intentions.
32:15,840 32:20,840 I always– I like the feeling of kind of putting out
32:20,840 32:22,680 what I want–
32:22,680 32:23,680 (BARKS)
32:23,680 32:24,680 (BARKING)
32:24,680 32:25,680 (BARKING)
32:25,680 32:26,680 (BARKING)
32:26,680 32:27,680 (BARKING)
32:27,680 32:28,680 Can you stop?
32:28,680 32:31,480 I like the idea of putting out into the universe
32:31,480 32:32,480 kind of like what I want to do
32:32,480 32:37,480 and setting those intentions to kind of follow through.
32:37,480 32:39,200 -Mm-hmm. -And so we obviously,
32:39,200 32:42,000 we’re starting our third season of the podcast,
32:42,000 32:44,000 -which is very exciting. -Yes.
32:44,000 32:47,280 We’ve decided kind of like the first time,
32:47,280 32:49,600 the first go around that we wanted to do
32:49,600 32:51,420 at least 10 episodes.
32:51,420 32:53,960 And we’ve kind of planned everything out.
32:53,960 32:56,200 We’re gonna start releasing them soon.
32:56,200 32:59,280 My personal side of that,
32:59,280 33:00,880 other than just keeping to the schedule
33:00,880 33:02,520 that we’ve set for ourselves,
33:02,520 33:06,520 is kind of taking on a little bit more
33:06,520 33:08,200 of that kind of social media and like marketing
33:08,200 33:09,920 and kind of like that kind of stuff
33:09,920 33:12,160 and kind of being a little more intentional with it
33:12,160 33:17,160 rather than just being like, record, edit, post,
33:17,160 33:18,360 forget about it.
33:18,360 33:22,280 I wanna start getting a community
33:22,280 33:24,280 of like-minded individuals together.
33:24,280 33:30,200 It’s hard to find those clicks of like,
33:30,200 33:31,560 where are the spooky gays?
33:31,560 33:33,400 Like, they gotta be somewhere.
33:33,400 33:34,240 – Spooky gays.
33:34,240 33:38,320 – So that’s probably my intention overall for this season
33:38,320 33:42,160 is to kind of work on finding those people
33:42,160 33:45,520 who can relate to us.
33:45,520 33:49,320 – I like feeling like I completed something.
33:49,320 33:50,160 – Yeah.
33:50,160 33:53,400 – So getting back into, there’s going to be some things
33:53,400 33:54,920 that I’m gonna have to research.
33:54,920 33:55,760 – Yeah.
33:55,760 33:58,200 – I’m looking forward to doing that.
33:58,200 34:02,360 – That is one of the biggest things that we have planned
34:02,360 34:05,320 is this season we’ve kind of broken up
34:05,320 34:07,280 the episode structures a little bit
34:07,280 34:12,720 a little more intentional. We really liked in the first 10 episodes that we liked doing
34:12,720 34:19,680 the research, but it’s very time consuming to kind of do the research, then do the writing,
34:19,680 34:25,280 then do all the planning. And so I really like what we’ve kind of done here is we have
34:25,280 34:28,880 our topic episodes that’s kind of based on how we did the second season when we did the
34:28,880 34:35,320 spooky season. Having a couple of those episodes because they’re fun and there’s kind of conversational
34:35,320 34:36,800 kind of like this one was.
34:36,800 34:41,340 And then next week, you’re gonna be doing
34:41,340 34:43,520 more of a story-based one.
34:43,520 34:46,200 And then I’ll follow up the following week.
34:46,200 34:49,860 That way we both have kind of separated
34:49,860 34:52,320 the responsibilities instead of both of us
34:52,320 34:57,320 every week having to do two weeks of research.
34:57,320 34:59,980 We can both kind of be like, I’m gonna take this week,
34:59,980 35:01,960 you take next week, we can focus on our own things
35:01,960 35:02,800 in the meantime.
35:02,800 35:03,620 – Yeah.
35:03,620 35:05,080 And then we’re still figuring out what works for us.
35:05,080 35:10,080 – Exactly, and this is kind of my plan for this season
35:10,080 35:14,520 is to just play around with it, see what works,
35:14,520 35:16,480 see what doesn’t, see what people like,
35:16,480 35:20,320 see what people don’t, and have a good time.
35:20,320 35:22,200 – Yeah. – Yeah.
35:22,200 35:24,240 – What about you, what are your thoughts?
35:24,240 35:30,920 – I want to, I said I’m looking forward to researching
35:30,920 35:33,000 and completing things.
35:33,000 35:33,840 – Yeah.
35:33,840 35:40,620 – I just wanna like talk about the things I like.
35:40,620 35:42,360 (both laughing)
35:42,360 35:44,560 That’s what I’m here to do with you.
35:44,560 35:45,560 – Yeah, definitely.
35:45,560 35:52,480 – And I don’t know, I just, I missed it.
35:52,480 35:54,840 – Yeah, I’m glad we’re back into it.
35:54,840 35:55,680 – Yeah.
35:55,680 36:00,480 – Some equal-eyed people might have noticed,
36:00,480 36:03,120 like we mentioned up at the top of the episode
36:03,120 36:07,120 that I changed the Instagram handle.
36:07,120 36:07,960 – Yes.
36:07,960 36:11,800 – This is kind of an all encompassing change
36:11,800 36:13,980 that it’s gonna take a while for me
36:13,980 36:15,120 to actually put into place,
36:15,120 36:19,600 but I wanna have more than just one project
36:19,600 36:20,720 going on at a time,
36:20,720 36:23,160 because this is what I wanna do as a career,
36:23,160 36:24,960 ’cause I really enjoy not only podcasting,
36:24,960 36:28,000 but video editing and creating content
36:28,000 36:29,840 and all that kind of stuff.
36:29,840 36:34,840 And so kind of having a place where we have our thing
36:34,840 36:38,520 that’s a little more kind of,
36:38,520 36:41,260 how do we say it?
36:41,260 36:42,680 Like kind of just like our general interest
36:42,680 36:45,500 within the kind of spooky realm.
36:45,500 36:46,720 – Yeah.
36:46,720 36:48,440 – But then I also have a lot of interest
36:48,440 36:51,080 in things that are a little more tech focused.
36:51,080 36:51,920 – Yeah.
36:51,920 36:54,720 – Cyberpunk and ARGs and like those kinds of things
36:54,720 36:55,540 that we like.
36:55,540 36:56,380 – Yeah.
36:56,380 36:57,920 – And I wanted a place where that makes sense too.
36:57,920 36:59,360 So.
36:59,360 37:00,200 – We like a lot of things.
37:00,200 37:01,120 – We like a lot of things.
37:01,120 37:04,840 And so I wanna be able to focus on more than just one thing.
37:04,840 37:07,320 But that takes some life changes coming up
37:07,320 37:08,760 to kind of make that happen.
37:08,760 37:10,760 – Yeah, at the end of the day,
37:10,760 37:12,160 we are pretty busy people.
37:12,160 37:13,000 – Exactly.
37:13,000 37:16,080 So I’m like, as long as we’re putting the roots down,
37:16,080 37:17,920 it’ll grow.
37:17,920 37:21,120 – Ah, yeah.
37:21,120 37:25,360 – I also eventually want to start some other content
37:25,360 37:27,740 that’s a little more less spooky,
37:27,740 37:32,740 more productivity focused and more kind of like
37:32,740 37:36,980 self-improvement kind of stuff
37:36,980 37:40,280 ’cause that’s another aspect that’s really important to me.
37:40,280 37:42,820 And so anyone who’s interested
37:42,820 37:45,980 can go to Jacob Remsdell on YouTube.
37:45,980 37:47,300 – Yeah. – And find that.
37:47,300 37:48,580 Not that it’s started yet.
37:48,580 37:51,220 I think it’s probably gonna be several months before that
37:51,220 37:52,460 anything happens.
37:52,460 37:53,700 But I’ve got my goals.
37:53,700 37:55,220 – Everything in your own time.
37:55,220 37:58,620 – And well, as soon as I can make my schedule
37:58,620 38:00,460 a little less hectic.
38:00,460 38:01,300 – Yes.
38:01,300 38:05,780 – We got moves to make and I’m so excited.
38:05,780 38:06,620 Thank you for listening.
38:06,620 38:07,780 – Welcome back.
38:07,780 38:09,260 – Welcome back.
38:09,260 38:10,980 – And see you next time.
38:10,980 38:14,020 – For Reese’s little story.
38:14,020 38:15,620 – I can’t wait.
38:15,620 38:16,440 – Having a–
38:16,440 38:17,280 – Look forward to it, I will do my best.
38:17,280 38:19,240 – My little minimal knowledge.
38:20,860 38:29,020 Make sure that you go in and follow at Argonauts.tube on Instagram because I will start posting
38:29,020 38:33,420 some content that can give you some hints to what’s coming up on the pod.
38:33,420 38:34,420 Exciting.
38:34,420 38:35,420 Get ready for spooks.
38:35,420 38:36,420 Spooks.
38:36,420 38:37,420 Spooks.
38:37,420 38:38,420 All right, bye everyone.
38:38,420 38:39,420 Bye.
38:39,420 38:40,420 Maple, say bye.
38:40,420 38:41,420 Say bye.
38:41,420 38:42,420 Maple.
38:42,420 38:42,420 Bye.
38:42,420 38:44,580 (howling)
38:44,580 38:46,380 – Me? Oh.
38:46,380 38:48,640 (laughing)
38:48,640 38:51,220 (upbeat music)
38:51,220 38:55,220 [Music]

THAT WITCH DOESN’T KILL YOU: GHOSTS

This week on the pod… as a follow up to Urban Legends and a final hoorah for Halloween, Jacob and Reese travel beyooond the graveee to bring you a very special Halloween day episode all about ghost stories. The pair discuss the trend of shortest scary stories, butt stabbings, horror tropes, ghost hunting, and the spooky-ooky feeling of being all alone.

For a final halloween treat, for the first time on the podcast today’s episode features a very special guest to tell us a ghost story of her very own… our friend Vivian!

The Allure of Ghost Stories: A Conversation Between Friends

Have you ever felt a chill run down your spine at the end of a ghost story, or been mesmerized by the mystery of a tale where the unexpected lurks around every corner? Ghost stories have the power to engage us on many levels, and their unique charm continues to capture the imagination of many. In this article, we’ll explore a casual conversation between friends on what makes a ghost story genuinely captivating.

A Twist in the Tale

The best ghost stories often come with a twist that leaves the reader or listener utterly aghast. It’s the unexpected cliffhanger or the wild twist that can transform a simple tale into something unforgettable.

“You wanna just be like, oh my God, no. ‘Cause then you’re just left with that foreboding feeling of, oh shit. I’d love that.”

The ability to stir these emotions is one of the trademarks of a great ghost story.

A Modern Take on Ghosts

Today’s ghost stories have evolved, and the way we perceive and represent ghosts has changed over time. Some stories depict ghosts as demonic entities, while others portray them as lost souls.

“It’s like one going into becoming a demon. We need a demonology episode at some point.”

These new dimensions add complexity to the tales and reflect our modern-day fears and fascinations.

Crafting the Atmosphere

A ghost story needs to be unsettling yet quiet, playing with pacing to create an unnerving effect without resorting to gore or overstimulation.

“It should be understated. It should make you feel like you’re alone. Isolation.”

In contrast to fast-paced, flashy horror, the real power of a ghost story lies in its subtlety and ability to create a sensation of isolation, sadness, or tragedy.

Personal Connections

Listening to ghost stories from those close to us adds a layer of authenticity that can make them more gripping. Personal experiences, family tales, and heartfelt narrations often resonate deeper.

“It’s a lot different when you hear something from someone you trust.”

These intimate experiences give a different flavor to the stories, making them all the more engaging and terrifying.

Ghost stories are not just about the supernatural; they are about emotions, pacing, innovation, and personal connection. They play with our fears, our feelings of isolation, and our endless curiosity about the unknown.

This friendly conversation about ghost stories reflects the universality of the topic and how it resonates with different people. From modern takes to the quiet, unsettling nature of these tales, ghost stories continue to be a fascinating part of our culture.

If you ever find yourself around a campfire or in a dark room with friends, don’t hesitate to share a ghost story. The chills, the twists, and the emotional connections might just make it a night to remember.

 

Transcript:

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00:00,000 00:02,580 (upbeat music)
00:02,580 00:15,320 I forgot I turned that off.
00:15,320 00:16,360 Okay, hi.
00:16,360 00:17,200 For real time.
00:17,200 00:18,760 – Hello.
00:18,760 00:20,120 – Welcome to That Which Doesn’t Kill You.
00:20,120 00:20,960 Today.
00:20,960 00:22,400 – Yes.
00:22,400 00:23,480 Today.
00:23,480 00:24,320 – We.
00:24,320 00:25,140 – Are.
00:25,140 00:25,980 – Talking.
00:25,980 00:27,080 – About.
00:27,080 00:27,920 – Ghosts.
00:27,920 00:28,740 – Ghosts.
00:28,740 00:31,400 (both laughing)
00:31,400 00:36,040 – It’s a scary wind at night.
00:36,040 00:36,880 – Oh, okay. – That makes you think
00:36,880 00:37,700 of a ghost.
00:37,700 00:39,560 – You looked really funny while doing that though.
00:39,560 00:41,220 That wasn’t scary, it was funny.
00:41,220 00:44,520 – That is the meanest thing you’ve ever said to me.
00:44,520 00:45,360 – I doubt it.
00:45,360 00:47,480 – While wearing my hat, no less.
00:47,480 00:48,320 – Thank you.
00:48,320 00:49,160 (both laughing)
00:49,160 00:50,360 My head was cold.
00:50,360 00:51,680 – Oh no, is it the fan?
00:51,680 00:53,240 Do we need to turn the fan off?
00:53,240 00:55,480 – No, I washed my hair before coming here,
00:55,480 00:57,800 so, but I didn’t dry it.
00:57,800 01:00,060 just in a vat of ice cubes.
01:00,060 01:02,100 – Yeah. – I get it, I get it.
01:02,100 01:03,560 – Yeah. – I get it.
01:03,560 01:05,980 – Don’t you know, if you go outside
01:05,980 01:09,580 without drying your hair, you can get a headache and die.
01:09,580 01:10,820 – That’s so true.
01:10,820 01:12,500 But this is not about urban legends.
01:12,500 01:14,300 This is about ghosts.
01:14,300 01:16,060 – Not urban legends, it’s real.
01:16,060 01:19,460 (both laughing)
01:19,460 01:22,180 – Talking about ghosts. – Talking about it.
01:22,180 01:25,220 You’ve got some ice breakers prepared for us today.
01:25,220 01:26,500 – Yes. – You want it,
01:26,500 01:27,340 What was it?
01:27,340 01:29,180 Shortest scary stories ever?
01:29,180 01:30,100 – Ever.
01:30,100 01:31,020 – Okay, I’m excited.
01:31,020 01:31,940 I’m ready to go.
01:31,940 01:35,940 – The last man on earth sat alone in a room.
01:35,940 01:38,780 There was a knock on the door.
01:38,780 01:39,800 – No.
01:39,800 01:44,700 Maybe it was that ghost in the wind from earlier.
01:44,700 01:47,980 – Well, you know what I thought of when I read that?
01:47,980 01:52,260 I was like, is it a woman at the door?
01:52,260 01:54,620 – Is it a gender nonconforming entity?
01:54,620 01:55,460 – Yeah.
01:55,460 01:59,980 – That is very astute observation.
01:59,980 02:02,740 – And this was written by Frederick Brown.
02:02,740 02:04,220 – Frederick Brown.
02:04,220 02:06,740 – Originally published in 1948.
02:06,740 02:09,820 – Damn, he didn’t even think about women.
02:09,820 02:11,500 – No, he’s like only on my end.
02:11,500 02:12,860 – Maybe that was his point.
02:12,860 02:15,820 Maybe he’s like a visionary thinker.
02:15,820 02:16,660 – Deep dive.
02:16,660 02:18,900 (laughing)
02:18,900 02:23,900 And it’s the origin of the two senses,
02:23,900 02:28,900 of the two sentence Gary story challenge.
02:28,900 02:31,980 – Oh, that was the origin of it?
02:31,980 02:33,060 Interesting.
02:33,060 02:36,220 – According to Google.
02:36,220 02:37,040 – That’s very interesting.
02:37,040 02:39,060 I had not heard that one, I don’t think,
02:39,060 02:42,020 but I did hear the one about the baby shoes,
02:42,020 02:44,580 which is what I originally thought you were talking about.
02:44,580 02:45,980 – Yeah, I was not.
02:45,980 02:47,260 – You know that one though, right?
02:47,260 02:48,100 – No.
02:48,100 02:52,500 – Okay, so it’s like, add in the paper,
02:52,500 02:55,180 – Baby shoes, never worn.
02:55,180 02:57,620 ‘Cause it’s like the baby was like stillborn.
02:57,620 02:59,420 So like they never put the shoes on.
02:59,420 03:01,660 – Oh.
03:01,660 03:02,660 – So it’s like really sad.
03:02,660 03:03,960 ‘Cause like the baby died.
03:03,960 03:06,660 – Not funny.
03:06,660 03:07,500 – Stop laughing.
03:07,500 03:08,780 (laughing)
03:08,780 03:09,620 – No, it’s not funny.
03:09,620 03:10,460 – Horrible person.
03:10,460 03:12,620 – No, I was telling you, I was like,
03:12,620 03:14,580 have you heard of the two cents horse story?
03:14,580 03:15,780 You’re like, oh, baby shoes?
03:15,780 03:16,620 I’m like, what?
03:16,620 03:17,580 (laughing)
03:17,580 03:18,420 No.
03:21,540 03:23,100 – And then the man opens the door
03:23,100 03:25,300 and there’s just some pair of baby shoes.
03:25,300 03:28,620 – Just standing there on their own,
03:28,620 03:30,340 tap dancing on the door.
03:30,340 03:32,660 – That would be scary.
03:32,660 03:33,540 – Honestly.
03:33,540 03:34,860 – Scary stories.
03:34,860 03:35,820 – The ghosts.
03:35,820 03:39,280 – We loved them.
03:39,280 03:40,700 Yes, you were like the wind.
03:40,700 03:41,780 (laughing)
03:41,780 03:44,300 – I don’t know why that’s my go to.
03:44,300 03:48,580 I think it’s because it’s hard to say the plural of ghosts.
03:48,580 03:49,420 – Ghosts.
03:49,420 03:50,740 – Ghosts.
03:50,740 03:52,140 – Ghosts. – Ghosts.
03:52,140 03:53,460 – Ghosts.
03:53,460 03:55,540 – Why are you adding extra S’s?
03:55,540 03:57,300 – Just the one S, ghosts.
03:57,300 03:58,140 ‘Cause otherwise it just sounds like ghost.
03:58,140 03:59,820 – That’s like five S’s.
03:59,820 04:02,220 – I know, but I’m trying to say, wow.
04:02,220 04:04,940 I can’t believe you’re just like over here mocking me.
04:04,940 04:05,780 – That doesn’t feel like.
04:05,780 04:08,580 – On my pronunciation.
04:08,580 04:09,880 – I would never.
04:09,880 04:10,720 I didn’t.
04:10,720 04:13,260 – Roll the tapes, just now.
04:13,260 04:14,220 – You have no proof.
04:14,220 04:16,060 – Ghostlings is what I’m gonna go with.
04:16,060 04:18,480 – Oh, okay, make it cute.
04:18,480 04:20,340 I like it.
04:20,340 04:22,580 the only– that was your only short scary story?
04:22,580 04:27,180 -Yes. -(LAUGHTER)
04:27,180 04:29,760 I loved it. I just wanted to make sure.
04:29,760 04:33,520 I was like, “Let me not, uh, monopolize this.”
04:33,520 04:37,060 Two-sentence– two-sentence horror stories.
04:37,060 04:39,100 I can tell you a few more.
04:39,100 04:40,360 If you want to.
04:40,360 04:43,200 There was a picture in my phone of me sleeping.
04:43,200 04:45,080 I live alone.
04:49,320 04:50,860 – So today we’re talking about.
04:50,860 04:52,400 (both laughing)
04:52,400 04:56,760 – Ooh, my sister says that mommy killed her.
04:56,760 04:59,420 Mommy says that I don’t have a sister.
04:59,420 05:02,640 They just need to go to therapy.
05:02,640 05:04,160 – Yeah, I don’t know who to believe.
05:04,160 05:05,880 – Wait, these are longer than two sentences.
05:05,880 05:08,760 I can’t move, breathe, speak or hear
05:08,760 05:11,120 and it’s so dark all the time.
05:11,120 05:13,640 If I knew it would be this lonely,
05:13,640 05:16,120 I would have been cremated instead.
05:16,120 05:18,000 Oh, look, here’s a baby one.
05:18,960 05:21,840 I awoke to the sound of the baby monitor
05:21,840 05:26,280 crackling with a voice comforting my first born child.
05:26,280 05:28,520 As I adjusted to a new position,
05:28,520 05:31,320 my arm brushed against my wife sleeping next to me.
05:31,320 05:34,440 – So is it scary that they have a nanny?
05:34,440 05:36,800 – I know, so I was thinking, I would like to see a nanny.
05:36,800 05:38,080 – Or a grandparent. – We told you to go home.
05:38,080 05:39,960 – Or siblings. (laughs)
05:39,960 05:42,520 – My daughter won’t stop crying and screaming
05:42,520 05:44,640 in the middle of the night.
05:44,640 05:46,520 I visit her grave and ask her to stop,
05:46,520 05:48,920 but it doesn’t help. – Oh, that was a,
05:48,920 05:52,080 That was a little flip around.
05:52,080 05:55,000 You know, there’s a common thread amongst a lot of these,
05:55,000 05:58,000 other than the ghost slings,
05:58,000 06:02,220 which is like a lot of them are using the same like motifs
06:02,220 06:04,140 people do in like video,
06:04,140 06:06,400 like ghost paranormal videos and stuff.
06:06,400 06:08,280 – Yeah. Oh, this one’s good.
06:08,280 06:12,480 Cause it’s, if you have animals, you know.
06:12,480 06:15,120 Growing up with cats and dogs,
06:15,120 06:17,360 I got used to the sounds of scratching at my door
06:17,360 06:18,360 while I slept.
06:18,360 06:20,760 Now that I live alone, it is much more unsettling.
06:20,760 06:22,560 – That’s fair.
06:22,560 06:23,380 (laughing)
06:23,380 06:26,220 Yeah, that’s a, it’s pretty unsettling.
06:26,220 06:28,900 It reminds me of, you know that thing about like,
06:28,900 06:32,600 that I think it’s, is it a creepypasta I think?
06:32,600 06:33,720 Where it’s like,
06:33,720 06:38,180 the guy’s dog like licks his foot
06:38,180 06:39,920 under the covers or whatever,
06:39,920 06:42,380 and then he hears a noise and he goes out
06:42,380 06:44,920 and he finds his dog like murdered,
06:44,920 06:47,400 like outside of his house or whatever.
06:47,400 06:49,320 And basically the insinuation being
06:49,320 06:50,760 that somebody licked their foot.
06:50,760 06:52,360 (laughing)
06:52,360 06:54,440 – The real horror is the foot fetish.
06:54,440 06:57,600 – Whoever killed his dog licked his feet.
06:57,600 06:58,800 Have you heard that one?
06:58,800 07:05,200 It’s not a ghost, but I just thought it’d be.
07:05,200 07:07,460 (laughing)
07:07,460 07:11,480 – I don’t know what type of erotica you’re reading.
07:11,480 07:14,400 I don’t think this is the right place to talk.
07:14,400 07:15,240 (dog barking)
07:15,240 07:16,080 Ah!
07:16,080 07:17,520 (laughing)
07:17,520 07:18,960 She’s like, “Don’t say that about my–“
07:18,960 07:19,800 – Yeah.
07:19,800 07:21,080 (laughing)
07:21,080 07:22,200 – I stepped on her, I’m sorry.
07:22,200 07:24,200 – Aw, Mabel, calm down.
07:24,200 07:25,040 (laughing)
07:25,040 07:25,880 – She’s like, “I’m very upset with him.”
07:25,880 07:26,700 – Get over it.
07:26,700 07:28,600 (laughing)
07:28,600 07:29,800 Pretty girl, go lay down.
07:29,800 07:30,640 – Ooh.
07:30,640 07:34,440 (dog barking)
07:34,440 07:36,800 Can you not?
07:36,800 07:39,080 – I like a good ghost story.
07:39,080 07:39,920 – Yes.
07:39,920 07:41,400 – There’s just something like,
07:41,400 07:45,520 kind of like poetic about like a lasting memory
07:45,520 07:48,800 lingering in someone’s absence.
07:48,800 07:50,480 That is very beautiful to me.
07:50,480 07:52,360 – Yeah, that is a very lovely way of putting that.
07:52,360 07:54,040 I was just saying, I like being creeped out.
07:54,040 07:56,880 – That’s fair, except you won’t watch “Barbarian.”
07:56,880 07:59,560 – Not creepy, it’s gross.
07:59,560 08:00,740 (laughing)
08:00,740 08:02,300 There’s no ghosts.
08:02,300 08:05,240 – You wouldn’t know ’cause you haven’t watched it.
08:05,240 08:07,040 – Yeah, but I read about it.
08:07,040 08:07,880 – I don’t know why you would do that.
08:07,880 08:08,720 – Spoiler alert, there’s no ghosts.
08:08,720 08:10,560 – I don’t know why you would do that.
08:10,560 08:12,280 Just go into things cold.
08:12,280 08:13,640 – No, you know what it was?
08:13,640 08:16,960 I looked up the trailer, like when you sent it to me,
08:16,960 08:20,760 and I watched it, and I was like, hmm, okay.
08:20,760 08:25,720 And I have things that I don’t feel comfortable seeing,
08:25,720 08:28,480 so I was like, okay, let me make sure that’s not in there.
08:28,480 08:30,820 I don’t like eye trauma.
08:30,820 08:35,520 I don’t like fingernails or anything being ripped off.
08:35,520 08:36,760 I don’t really like those.
08:36,760 08:39,420 I don’t like people being in extended amounts of pain
08:39,420 08:42,060 for a long time, like the Saw movies.
08:42,060 08:43,040 I just wanna be scared.
08:43,040 08:45,760 – Well, a lot of gore in general, I just find.
08:45,760 08:46,920 Like, you know, I get it.
08:46,920 08:49,760 – Well, it’s funny because when,
08:49,760 08:51,220 the parts that I didn’t look at
08:51,220 08:53,600 when we watched the Evil Dead, like the remake,
08:53,600 08:55,200 like I didn’t watch those parts,
08:55,200 08:57,120 so I didn’t have it in my head, so I’m fine.
08:57,120 09:01,000 The other parts, like the friggin’ chainsawing people
09:01,000 09:04,280 and cutting things off and cutting off limbs,
09:04,280 09:05,640 I’m fine with that.
09:05,640 09:08,640 I think that’s, I think it looks really cool,
09:08,640 09:12,040 but it just depends on where people are getting it from.
09:12,040 09:16,320 – It’s like the intimacy of smaller details.
09:16,320 09:18,320 – That’s a good way to put it, the intimacy of it.
09:18,320 09:20,280 – When you’re dealing with people’s eyeballs
09:20,280 09:22,200 or you’re like sticking something in someone’s ear
09:22,200 09:23,880 or like underneath their nails,
09:23,880 09:26,120 like those are very intimate things.
09:26,120 09:28,480 – I’m getting goosebumps, you just saying.
09:28,480 09:30,380 – And well, they’re parts of our body.
09:30,380 09:32,400 We don’t let other people mess with.
09:32,400 09:33,240 – Yes.
09:33,240 09:34,120 – You know what I mean?
09:34,120 09:37,420 People hug, people touch arms,
09:37,420 09:41,960 like it’s a macro idea of just chopping someone’s head off.
09:41,960 09:43,520 Like, it’s different. – Well, it’s like
09:43,520 09:46,460 Michael Myers ran around and instead of chopping people up,
09:46,460 09:48,220 he just like smacked their asses.
09:48,220 09:49,740 – Yeah. – Be okay with that.
09:49,740 09:53,020 – Do you remember the– – The butt stabber?
09:53,020 09:54,840 – Yeah. – Yeah.
09:54,840 09:57,940 That’s very unfortunate. – I told you I saw him, right?
09:57,940 09:59,900 – What, no. – Okay, so–
09:59,900 10:01,620 – Wait, was it at Pentagon City Mall?
10:01,620 10:02,660 – No. – (gasps)
10:02,660 10:03,980 – I swear I saw him. – Wait, was there another one?
10:03,980 10:06,060 – I swear I saw him because I,
10:06,060 10:10,640 so I used to work near a certain metro stop
10:10,640 10:12,700 and I was at a Dunkin’ Donuts,
10:12,700 10:14,780 I don’t know if people can geo locate that,
10:14,780 10:16,460 then there’s a lot of Dunkin’ Donuts out there.
10:16,460 10:17,380 – Near Metro.
10:17,380 10:20,620 – So I was at a particular Dunkin’ Donuts
10:20,620 10:23,100 and I saw this guy who really unnerved me,
10:23,100 10:25,580 which is why I remembered him.
10:25,580 10:27,820 ‘Cause with my aphantasia and everything,
10:27,820 10:29,220 I don’t remember what people look like,
10:29,220 10:31,660 I don’t have a mental image of them.
10:31,660 10:33,620 – Which is fascinating in and of itself.
10:33,620 10:35,420 – I was so unnerved by this guy
10:35,420 10:38,380 that when I saw his photo that same day
10:38,380 10:42,800 on like Fox 5 or whatever, talking about him.
10:42,800 10:46,160 I remembered him because it would have been that day
10:46,160 10:47,000 that I’d seen him.
10:47,000 10:50,320 – Okay, okay, so you can recognize.
10:50,320 10:53,160 – Yeah, so I was like, that’s that dude
10:53,160 10:55,260 that I was like, that’s a creepy dude.
10:55,260 10:59,600 And I mean, and it was very unnerving.
10:59,600 11:00,840 If it had happened the other way around,
11:00,840 11:02,760 I probably wouldn’t have remembered him.
11:02,760 11:06,240 Like, I don’t think if I had had the Fox 5–
11:06,240 11:07,480 – Maybe you saw that first.
11:07,480 11:10,480 Yeah, if I had seen the representation of him,
11:10,480 11:12,520 like the drawings, you know, like the drawings,
11:12,520 11:14,020 -like the suspect drawings. -Yeah.
11:14,020 11:16,320 If I had seen that first and then saw Creepy Dude,
11:16,320 11:17,520 I wouldn’t have been like,
11:17,520 11:19,200 “That looks like that guy that was on Fox 5.”
11:19,200 11:20,400 -I would have been like– -Yeah, there would have been
11:20,400 11:21,740 -no association for you. -Yeah.
11:21,740 11:23,160 It would not have connected.
11:23,160 11:26,320 But it was very unnerving after realizing that.
11:26,320 11:30,920 And so that one has always been a little creepy.
11:30,920 11:34,620 What is your favorite thing about, like, a good ghost story?
11:34,720 11:38,800 I like something that will,
11:38,800 11:42,640 like, it’ll be like the last sentence of a story
11:42,640 11:44,000 or something where it’ll be like,
11:44,000 11:47,680 and then da-da-da, like some type of a cliffhanger
11:47,680 11:51,880 or like a crazy twist.
11:51,880 11:55,960 I wanna just be like, oh my God, no.
11:55,960 11:57,960 ‘Cause then you’re just left with that like,
11:57,960 12:01,200 foreboding feeling of, oh shit.
12:01,200 12:02,040 I’d love that.
12:02,040 12:03,480 – Well, and I think that speaks to,
12:03,480 12:09,120 Like I was saying, like that kind of like, um, like out of place, like temporal vibe
12:09,120 12:13,180 of ghost stories being like, there is no beginning, there is no end.
12:13,180 12:16,820 This is like a, uh, something lost in space and time.
12:16,820 12:21,200 You did something, a demon enters you or enters your space, right?
12:21,200 12:24,720 And then there’s a way, hopefully, to get rid of it.
12:24,720 12:26,200 And like some ghost stories are like that.
12:26,200 12:29,960 I feel like modern day ghost stories are more like that, where they’re basically treating
12:29,960 12:33,320 ghosts like you would a demon.
12:33,320 12:37,720 But I feel like a good old-fashioned ghost story is like, they just happen to be here.
12:37,720 12:39,200 They’re not fucking with you.
12:39,200 12:41,320 They’re not like trying to scare you necessarily.
12:41,320 12:45,360 Then you get into like poltergeist, which is kind of like bridges the gap between the
12:45,360 12:46,360 two.
12:46,360 12:47,360 Yeah.
12:47,360 12:49,000 It’s like one going into becoming a demon.
12:49,000 12:50,000 Yeah.
12:50,000 12:53,000 Ooh, we need like a demonology episode at some point.
12:53,000 12:54,000 Oh, yes.
12:54,000 12:58,200 This is all, I mean, it’s all very, you know, these kinds of interests are the same things
12:58,200 13:01,800 that I talk about on the channel, Killing Jar, YouTube.
13:01,800 13:02,800 Thank you.
13:02,800 13:03,800 But–
13:03,800 13:07,040 What’s something you like in a– in a ghost story?
13:07,040 13:09,340 I think there’s– I mean, I think there’s a lot of, like,
13:09,340 13:13,340 levels to ghost stories specifically…
13:13,340 13:16,380 -Mm-hmm. -…that are different
13:16,380 13:19,920 from something like a slasher or a demon or–
13:19,920 13:21,860 -Yeah. -You know, like, a ghost story,
13:21,860 13:24,520 I feel like, has to have a really good control
13:24,520 13:26,400 of pacing for it to be good.
13:26,400 13:29,700 It has to be unsettling, but kind of quiet.
13:29,700 13:32,360 -Yes, I want to be unnerved. -Quiet, unsettling. Yeah.
13:32,460 13:35,140 as opposed to, like we were saying,
13:35,140 13:37,340 you don’t wanna be grossed out necessarily by a ghost story
13:37,340 13:38,260 ’cause it doesn’t make sense.
13:38,260 13:40,900 – No, ghosts can’t bleed.
13:40,900 13:43,500 – Right, or like when there’s like,
13:43,500 13:44,820 everything’s super fast-paced
13:44,820 13:46,780 and there’s like flashing lights and like all this stuff,
13:46,780 13:49,380 I’m like, that doesn’t make sense.
13:49,380 13:50,220 – Yeah.
13:50,220 13:51,060 – When you, you know, like a good–
13:51,060 13:53,260 – I’m a little overwhelmed for what you’re saying
13:53,260 13:54,100 and I’m not scared anymore. – Exactly.
13:54,100 13:56,180 It should be understated.
13:56,180 13:57,020 – Yes.
13:57,020 13:59,460 – And it should make you feel like you’re alone.
13:59,460 14:00,540 – Yes.
14:00,540 14:02,060 – And I think– – Isolation.
14:02,060 14:07,060 – Yes, I think that a good ghost story is about emotions
14:07,060 14:10,740 and is about being isolated, like you said.
14:10,740 14:14,800 Otherwise– – Or even they’re sad.
14:14,800 14:19,720 Like if it’s a ghost story that makes me feel sad,
14:19,720 14:21,680 I’m just like, “Oh, that’s tragic.”
14:21,680 14:23,360 I like that too. – Yeah.
14:23,360 14:25,600 So ’cause when I think of an angry ghost,
14:25,600 14:26,960 that’s when I start thinking about poltergeists
14:26,960 14:28,680 ’cause they’re the ones pushing shit around
14:28,680 14:31,000 and actively trying to hurt people.
14:31,000 14:32,120 “Throw shit back at you.”
14:32,120 14:37,120 – Yeah, but a good ghost is just like sitting there
14:37,120 14:38,720 mourning or like,
14:38,720 14:42,460 you know, just feeling her feels.
14:42,460 14:43,640 Do you have any favorites?
14:43,640 14:44,960 Like what’s your favorite ghost story?
14:44,960 14:49,960 – You know, there’s a lot I don’t remember specifics of,
14:49,960 14:53,760 but growing up, family, and even like I have friends
14:53,760 14:58,040 that have family that’s had ghost stories.
14:58,040 15:02,080 I like listening to ghost stories from people close to me.
15:02,080 15:03,040 – Yeah. – You know?
15:03,040 15:07,440 Like I remember Vivian’s mom stayed with us
15:07,440 15:12,000 for one weekend and we were just like sitting around
15:12,000 15:14,200 and just listening to her talk about
15:14,200 15:17,960 like stuff that she remembers that happened to her.
15:17,960 15:21,280 – Yeah. – And her family terrified me.
15:21,280 15:23,200 – It’s a lot different when you hear something
15:23,200 15:25,040 from someone you trust. – You know, yes.
15:25,040 15:26,600 – And you know like they’re not gonna be lying
15:26,600 15:28,880 – Well, in my step-mom,
15:28,880 15:32,440 I remember my step-mom telling me one time,
15:32,440 15:36,840 like, she’s like, “Yeah, me and my stepbrother
15:36,840 15:41,300 “and my stepsister, we were staying at some base.
15:41,300 15:44,760 “I forgot where, I think it was in Maryland.”
15:44,760 15:47,720 But she was saying like, she would hear somebody
15:47,720 15:49,700 like coming up the stairs, but she’s like,
15:49,700 15:52,080 “There was no one else in the house.”
15:52,080 15:54,380 Everyone else was upstairs in my room,
15:54,380 15:58,020 but she would hear going up and down the stairs.
15:58,020 15:59,440 I’m like, no, no.
15:59,440 16:00,780 (laughing)
16:00,780 16:02,140 – You’re like, get out.
16:02,140 16:03,400 – No.
16:03,400 16:05,140 – Well, that’s interesting ’cause there’s like,
16:05,140 16:08,580 I feel like there’s some core things
16:08,580 16:11,920 that people associate with a haunting,
16:11,920 16:16,020 especially when it comes to real life ghost stories,
16:16,020 16:20,260 creaking stairs and footsteps and stuff like that,
16:20,260 16:21,700 and then whispering.
16:21,700 16:24,800 and then you get into the kind of modern day stuff,
16:24,800 16:27,520 like cold spots and EMF readings.
16:27,520 16:30,400 And there’s a lot of kind of stuff that,
16:30,400 16:32,600 there’s stuff that can be explained away.
16:32,600 16:33,520 – Yes. – And then there’s stuff
16:33,520 16:36,100 that the only way you can explain it away
16:36,100 16:39,640 is if you tell somebody they’re wrong
16:39,640 16:41,520 or they’re lying or they’re crazy.
16:41,520 16:44,880 Like, no, you misunderstood what was happening.
16:44,880 16:49,880 – Yeah, like I can’t think of a way to explain this away
16:50,600 16:54,240 other than you’re lying or something like you said.
16:54,240 16:55,560 – And just ’cause something can’t be proven
16:55,560 16:56,960 doesn’t mean it’s not real.
16:56,960 16:58,680 There’s a whole lot of stuff
16:58,680 17:00,720 that people used to think was witchcraft
17:00,720 17:02,760 that we just consider science and magic,
17:02,760 17:05,600 or magic is just medicine now.
17:05,600 17:09,420 So who’s to say we’re not gonna find out
17:09,420 17:13,700 some quantum theory of relativity?
17:13,700 17:15,880 – Like there are just energies abound
17:15,880 17:17,920 and they live in this alternate universe
17:17,920 17:19,080 and everyone knows.
17:19,080 17:26,560 Or even, I mean, the theory of time itself, not to get too science-y, is that it’s a dimension
17:26,560 17:27,560 of space.
17:27,560 17:34,040 Like, it’s a concept that we see it as having a beginning and an end, because that’s just
17:34,040 17:35,040 how we perceive it.
17:35,040 17:38,160 But in actuality, it’s not linear.
17:38,160 17:46,840 So who’s to say that we can’t somehow, in all of the trillions of neurons, can’t perceive
17:46,840 17:54,040 something that can’t be measured by, you know, a copper wire in a machine. So yeah, I’m I’m
17:54,040 18:04,680 not going to discount anyone’s stories. We are contacting a living spirit live on the
18:04,680 18:05,680 podcast.
18:05,680 18:08,260 (upbeat music)
18:08,260 18:16,580 – Also, this is Vivian.
18:16,580 18:18,620 (laughing)
18:18,620 18:20,420 – Oh wait, you’re recording me right now?
18:20,420 18:21,360 – Yes. – Yes.
18:21,360 18:23,660 – Welcome to the podcast.
18:23,660 18:25,300 – Hi, thank you.
18:25,300 18:26,220 (laughing)
18:26,220 18:28,020 – Our first guest.
18:28,020 18:30,940 – I actually have a couple stories,
18:30,940 18:32,980 but one, when I was thinking about it,
18:32,980 18:35,340 I didn’t realize how many stories I had.
18:35,340 18:39,440 I mentioned talking to your mom and being like, oh my god.
18:39,440 18:41,240 – Yeah, my mom has a lot of creepy stories.
18:41,240 18:43,300 There’s a lot of new creepy stories too
18:43,300 18:45,060 that my sister was telling me about,
18:45,060 18:46,800 about their house in Texas.
18:46,800 18:47,960 – Oh.
18:47,960 18:51,560 – Which I knew about some of them,
18:51,560 18:53,720 but she also told me a couple things
18:53,720 18:56,840 about our other house in Kingstown.
18:56,840 18:58,640 – What? The Kingstown one?
18:58,640 19:01,200 – Yeah, I didn’t know about this.
19:01,200 19:03,840 We were talking about it last time she was over here.
19:03,840 19:08,840 And I told her to stop telling me things.
19:08,840 19:10,840 I was like, “Please, now is not the time.
19:10,840 19:12,840 Tell me when it’s daylight.”
19:12,840 19:15,840 And I was like, “Oh my gosh, I’m going to be a lot louder.”
19:15,840 19:19,840 I loved listening to her tell those stories.
19:19,840 19:20,840 Okay, tell us one.
19:20,840 19:24,840 So, this happened twice.
19:24,840 19:27,840 So, it was over 15 years ago.
19:27,840 19:29,840 We were living in Florida.
19:29,840 19:37,120 And we were in, when we first moved to Florida, we lived in an apartment.
19:37,120 19:39,920 And we were waiting for our house to be built.
19:39,920 19:43,480 So we were just living there for like a year or so.
19:43,480 19:51,080 But one night I was in my bedroom and I was just like sitting there and I kept hearing
19:51,080 19:54,520 the weird noise by my window.
19:54,520 19:59,560 So my bedroom window faced our front door of the apartment.
19:59,560 20:05,280 So when you walk into the apartment to the left was my bedroom door or my bedroom window.
20:05,280 20:10,480 And so one night I kept hearing noises from my window.
20:10,480 20:14,760 So I knocked on my parents’ door and they’re like, “You’re being paranoid.”
20:14,760 20:15,760 I’m like, “No.”
20:15,760 20:16,760 I don’t know.
20:16,760 20:22,760 I don’t think like I was paranoid somebody was like trying to break into the house.
20:22,760 20:23,760 Right.
20:23,760 20:24,760 Yeah.
20:24,760 20:25,760 I’m not worried about ghosts at this point.
20:25,760 20:26,760 Yeah, I know.
20:26,760 20:27,760 I’m worried about real people.
20:27,760 20:29,800 And I just kept hearing like weird noises.
20:29,800 20:34,720 And then I specifically remember I’m in my bed and I’m reading a book.
20:34,720 20:36,460 I wasn’t falling asleep.
20:36,460 20:38,360 I was like fully awake.
20:38,360 20:40,900 And this just sounds like really funny because it’s like
20:40,900 20:44,400 I feel like it’s like a stereotypical like movie goes down like
20:44,400 20:47,240 in a comedy ghost movie. Right.
20:47,240 20:52,200 But I just heard something go.
20:52,200 20:55,200 No.
20:56,840 20:57,840 Thank you. Good bye.
20:57,840 21:01,000 Oh my god, my spine just tingled.
21:01,000 21:03,200 I threw my book.
21:03,200 21:06,940 I ran to my parents room and I literally like burst in their room
21:06,940 21:08,240 and just fell on the floor.
21:08,240 21:10,040 My back was against their bed.
21:10,040 21:12,840 And my dad was just like, what happened? What happened?
21:12,840 21:14,440 And he like immediately goes and like
21:14,440 21:16,800 go and get his gun.
21:16,800 21:20,300 And he’s like searching around the apartment.
21:20,300 21:23,800 Because I just kept saying, like, all I can say was I heard a man
21:23,800 21:26,840 because it was just so deep of a voice.
21:26,840 21:30,680 Oh, no, that’s so scary.
21:30,680 21:32,480 Yeah, it was
21:32,480 21:36,080 the face Jacob is making.
21:36,080 21:38,480 It looks so concerned.
21:38,480 21:39,980 My parents
21:39,980 21:43,120 were really mad at me after that.
21:43,120 21:45,220 They were just like, you know, you’re being paranoid.
21:45,220 21:46,460 You have to stop on his period.
21:46,460 21:47,920 I was just like, I wasn’t watching it.
21:47,920 21:49,220 I was reading my book.
21:49,220 21:50,420 Yeah.
21:50,420 21:52,560 And I was just sitting in bed.
21:52,560 21:55,020 And yeah, so.
21:55,020 21:56,440 – Ooh, that is scary.
21:56,440 21:59,880 – A few years go by,
21:59,880 22:03,460 and we’re now living in our house.
22:03,460 22:07,280 And my sister is,
22:07,280 22:08,760 she’s a toddler at this point.
22:08,760 22:10,520 I wanna say she’s like two, three.
22:10,520 22:11,360 – Aw.
22:11,360 22:12,180 (laughing)
22:12,180 22:14,680 – But in that house, one day,
22:14,680 22:18,280 my dad had left town and he was traveling for work
22:18,280 22:20,840 and it was just my mom, my sister and I.
22:20,840 22:25,560 And earlier in the day, my sister kept saying,
22:25,560 22:27,860 she was in her room and I was in,
22:27,860 22:29,560 I think I was in either the bathroom or my room,
22:29,560 22:32,480 ’cause our hallway was just like my room,
22:32,480 22:34,640 the bathroom and then her room.
22:34,640 22:37,440 And she’s in there playing and then she comes running
22:37,440 22:41,080 to my mom and she kept saying like in Spanish,
22:41,080 22:43,080 like the girl, the girl.
22:43,080 22:45,640 And I was like, why?
22:45,640 22:47,400 Like my mom, and my mom came up to me,
22:47,400 22:48,680 she’s like, were you with your sister?
22:48,680 22:50,000 I was like, no, she was playing in her room
22:50,000 22:56,360 I was in my room and my mom just came up to me, she kept saying, “Nanana,” like the girl.
22:56,360 23:06,280 So I was like, “Oh, okay. That’s really weird.” So again, later in the day, my mom was sleeping,
23:06,280 23:12,640 my sister was sleeping, and I’m sitting in the living room and I’m watching TV and I
23:12,640 23:18,440 hear the exact same noise come from behind me in our living room.
23:18,440 23:21,360 And it’s like a totally new house.
23:21,360 23:24,040 I wasn’t sitting on, I mean, we had the same furniture
23:24,040 23:26,760 in a different room, but I wasn’t sitting in that room.
23:26,760 23:29,640 But I heard the same sound.
23:29,640 23:32,120 Like I’m sitting there watching TV.
23:32,120 23:34,040 I still remember I was watching.
23:34,040 23:36,080 I was watching Laguna Beach on MTV.
23:36,080 23:38,240 (laughing)
23:38,240 23:40,280 I’m sitting there and then all of a sudden
23:40,280 23:43,080 from behind me I hear, “Ugh.”
23:43,080 23:44,120 And like I–
23:44,120 23:45,440 – Ugh. – No.
23:45,440 23:46,840 – Jumped up. – I’m against it.
23:46,840 23:49,120 – I hate that so much.
23:49,120 23:51,280 – What is this nightmare that has happened?
23:51,280 23:54,160 So I run into my room and I tell my mom
23:54,160 23:56,400 and she’s just like super freaked out
23:56,400 23:58,980 and she like, we couldn’t explain it.
23:58,980 24:03,040 And I think later on that night, something else happened.
24:03,040 24:05,680 My sister’s swing turned on.
24:05,680 24:09,000 – La nana.
24:09,000 24:12,200 – Yeah, we were just all very confused.
24:12,200 24:15,240 And I kinda, it hasn’t,
24:15,240 24:17,140 Nothing like this happened since then.
24:17,140 24:20,240 But yeah, it was very creepy.
24:20,240 24:21,080 – Ooh.
24:21,080 24:22,440 – That is my…
24:22,440 24:23,280 – Those are really good ones.
24:23,280 24:25,640 – Yeah, that is absolutely horrifying.
24:25,640 24:26,920 – Yeah.
24:26,920 24:30,920 – It was, like, it was just, I don’t know,
24:30,920 24:33,440 but weird things like that happen to my family a lot.
24:33,440 24:35,520 More than I realize, I feel like,
24:35,520 24:36,600 like when I really think about it, I’m like,
24:36,600 24:39,000 wow, there’s a lot of things that happen to my family
24:39,000 24:43,180 and just like random, random things,
24:43,180 24:45,340 like in the house in Texas,
24:45,340 24:50,340 my parents would always hear banging.
24:50,340 24:53,940 That was like a thing that started happening a lot more.
24:53,940 24:56,060 – I feel like you can explain away banging
24:56,060 24:58,060 a lot of the times, especially like in a house.
24:58,060 24:59,180 – Yeah, yeah.
24:59,180 25:02,940 So what happened was my mom
25:02,940 25:08,820 was heard knocking on the garage door.
25:08,820 25:11,260 So it was the door that leads into the garage.
25:11,260 25:13,340 – Oh, she told me this, yeah.
25:13,340 25:16,820 – Yeah, so that was kind of a weird one.
25:16,820 25:17,660 ‘Cause my mom was just like,
25:17,660 25:19,220 “Okay, so someone broke in the house.”
25:19,220 25:20,060 – Yeah, I was gonna be like,
25:20,060 25:22,140 at that point I’m afraid of a real person.
25:22,140 25:22,980 – Yeah. – I’m scared.
25:22,980 25:25,100 – That’s the thing, a lot of these stories
25:25,100 25:26,820 can come down to like,
25:26,820 25:30,860 it’s just as terrifying that it’s a real person.
25:30,860 25:33,300 I mean, like even if you look at like a lot of,
25:33,300 25:35,380 I’m gonna, every episode we’re gonna be talking
25:35,380 25:37,220 about the only videos that scare me,
25:37,220 25:39,540 which is real video, like real things.
25:39,540 25:42,940 – Those security footage of people walking around
25:42,940 25:44,500 strangers’ houses and stuff,
25:44,500 25:48,660 how many ghost stories are about things being moved
25:48,660 25:49,700 in the middle of the night?
25:49,700 25:51,820 That could end up just being…
25:51,820 25:53,140 – Yeah, yeah.
25:53,140 25:54,940 It’s very annoying.
25:54,940 25:55,780 – It’s very annoying.
25:55,780 25:56,600 – It makes it worse.
25:56,600 25:57,440 – Yes.
25:57,440 25:58,280 – And you’re like, “No, it’s not a ghost,
25:58,280 26:00,420 it’s a solid person.”
26:00,420 26:03,300 – Yeah, a solid person with real fists
26:03,300 26:05,300 who are gonna punch me to death.
26:05,300 26:08,300 – I’d rather be like, “Oh, hi, spirit Bob, how are you?”
26:08,300 26:09,140 (laughing)
26:09,140 26:10,180 – That’s spirit, Bob.
26:10,180 26:12,500 – That’s scary.
26:12,500 26:16,680 Oh, well, thank you so much for telling us
26:16,680 26:18,100 those horrible stories.
26:18,100 26:20,380 – Yes, definitely, thank you.
26:20,380 26:23,780 – I think I have heard you and or your mom
26:23,780 26:26,220 have told me these before and I probably blocked them out
26:26,220 26:27,300 ’cause they were scary.
26:27,300 26:29,700 Now I’m gonna remember them all over again.
26:29,700 26:30,940 Thank you.
26:30,940 26:33,180 – You’re very welcome, any time.
26:33,180 26:34,920 I have so many.
26:34,920 26:36,020 (laughing)
26:36,020 26:37,380 – I’ll do an extended–
26:37,380 26:42,020 Yes, we’ll have to have you on like a as a full fledged guest at some point.
26:42,020 26:44,420 Yay, that’ll be fun.
26:44,420 26:45,220 Yeah, definitely.
26:45,220 26:46,340 I will speak to the people.
26:46,340 26:50,020 Thank you, baby. I’ll talk to you soon.
26:50,020 26:52,340 Thank you. Bye. Love you.
26:52,340 27:01,220 What an angel.
27:01,220 27:05,060 She is a perfection.
27:05,060 27:07,220 We must respect her at all costs.
27:07,220 27:10,260 Her and her daughter. Yes. And the spirits.
27:10,260 27:21,860 Scared. What a tale. Yeah. Yeah, no. That’s freaking scary. I 100% would rather it be a ghost
27:21,860 27:29,300 than a person. Oh, yeah. Knocking away at my door or breaking into my house. And moaning in my ear.
27:31,540 27:32,540 No, horrible.
27:32,540 27:35,140 Oh, those ones are good ones, though.
27:35,140 27:36,020 Yeah. Yeah.
27:36,020 27:39,660 Like, I have no explanation for that, except there’s just some scary shit.
27:39,660 27:40,100 Right.
27:40,100 27:43,540 Do you have a favorite, like, well-known ghost story?
27:43,540 27:51,060 I think in my in my history, I was always obsessed with quite a few different like
27:51,060 27:54,900 those like collections you would get at like the school library
27:54,900 27:58,740 that would be like ten most common ghost stories.
27:58,740 27:59,460 Yeah.
27:59,460 28:05,300 And I would most of the time they would have like the Winchester house, you know, which is why I
28:05,300 28:09,700 like added to the list. So I was like, well, that’s an interesting one. She’s old. She’s old.
28:09,700 28:18,420 It’s just so interesting that somebody could like, be so afraid of ghosts that they would like
28:18,420 28:23,460 refuse to stop building their house so that the ghost cannot find a way to like,
28:23,460 28:28,820 like what a concept. I can’t think of I mean, there’s definitely other places like
28:28,820 28:30,340 like bizarre places in the world.
28:30,340 28:33,100 But that’s definitely one that I think has become,
28:33,100 28:36,100 as far as ghost stories, has become such a commodity.
28:36,100 28:36,940 Like it’s such a–
28:36,940 28:38,900 – Well, and it’s so the,
28:38,900 28:43,900 I think a lot of what keeps that interesting and relevant
28:43,900 28:47,660 is that I can’t think of any other ghost,
28:47,660 28:49,020 any other like ghost story
28:49,020 28:53,340 where there is a physical manifestation of what,
28:53,340 28:56,780 I guess, these ghosts scared this person into doing.
28:56,780 28:58,540 – Yeah, definitely.
28:58,540 28:59,800 – Well, and it’s just so interesting,
28:59,800 29:02,680 like the kind of concepts and beliefs about like,
29:02,680 29:04,980 you know, like, I mean, things like,
29:04,980 29:06,660 like having a weird staircase
29:06,660 29:09,580 so that ghost can’t walk up here.
29:09,580 29:11,440 I’m like, the logic doesn’t make sense,
29:11,440 29:13,940 but maybe the logic makes sense to a ghost.
29:13,940 29:16,020 – They’re like, no, I can’t get there.
29:16,020 29:18,460 – And I can’t fight ghost logic.
29:18,460 29:19,940 Like I– – Don’t even try.
29:19,940 29:21,060 – You can’t even try.
29:21,060 29:23,380 What about ghost hunting?
29:23,380 29:26,780 – You wanna do it?
29:26,780 29:27,620 – No thoughts.
29:27,620 29:29,020 (both laughing)
29:29,020 29:31,220 Seems really dangerous to me.
29:31,220 29:32,340 – Does it?
29:32,340 29:33,420 – It does.
29:33,420 29:34,780 – How so?
29:34,780 29:36,120 – Just ’cause,
29:36,120 29:40,680 what if it’s, this also goes back to like,
29:40,680 29:44,680 what if it’s just a real person in this house somewhere
29:44,680 29:46,340 and they could kill me?
29:46,340 29:47,180 – That’s fair.
29:47,180 29:49,920 Well, I think a lot of ghost hunting is typically,
29:49,920 29:52,980 like people are inviting you to be there.
29:52,980 29:55,580 (both laughing)
29:55,580 29:58,780 I don’t think you just break into someone’s house and search for a ghost.
29:58,780 29:59,780 (laughter)
29:59,780 30:03,380 >> KRISTEN: I’m talking about like abandoned places.
30:03,380 30:07,180 >> JONAH: We went in two different directions.
30:07,180 30:08,180 (laughter)
30:08,180 30:09,180 >> KRISTEN: No.
30:09,180 30:14,620 >> JONAH: Yeah, I’m not talking about breaking into abandoned places.
30:14,620 30:17,660 I’m talking about just in general.
30:17,660 30:18,660 >> KRISTEN: Well…
30:18,660 30:21,620 >> JONAH: Places you’re allowed to be.
30:21,620 30:23,380 >> KRISTEN: Oh, no.
30:23,380 30:25,220 – You know, and they can get me for this
30:25,220 30:27,180 because it’s happened a long time ago.
30:27,180 30:29,380 – Statue of limitations, baby.
30:29,380 30:30,200 – Exactly.
30:30,200 30:36,340 You recently put out the Bunny Man video.
30:36,340 30:38,740 So that prison that–
30:38,740 30:39,580 – The Lorton prison.
30:39,580 30:43,540 – The Lorton prison, when I was a kid,
30:43,540 30:45,300 it was still abandoned.
30:45,300 30:47,940 And I went in there with some of my friends
30:47,940 30:49,880 that she wanted to take pictures.
30:50,980 30:53,820 – It looked exactly how you would imagine.
30:53,820 30:54,660 – In abandoned prison.
30:54,660 30:56,300 – In abandoned prison.
30:56,300 31:00,740 Probably got mesothelioma from being in there.
31:00,740 31:01,580 – Oh no.
31:01,580 31:02,420 (laughing)
31:02,420 31:03,580 – Very dusty.
31:03,580 31:06,620 And rusty and all that.
31:06,620 31:07,580 – Oh no.
31:07,580 31:09,380 – Man, was it cool though.
31:09,380 31:12,300 – Yeah, that is definitely somewhere where
31:12,300 31:15,260 I would be terrified to be in there.
31:15,260 31:18,180 But so outside of my alternative high school
31:18,180 31:19,020 that I went to.
31:19,020 31:19,860 – Alternative, everyone was.
31:19,860 31:21,860 – Everyone was an emo kid. – So I was a little baddie.
31:21,860 31:23,940 (both laughing)
31:23,940 31:24,780 – Alternatives.
31:24,780 31:30,140 – You know, it was literally like criminals,
31:30,140 31:31,580 pregnant girls and me.
31:31,580 31:33,700 And right outside of–
31:33,700 31:34,700 – And homosexuals.
31:34,700 31:37,140 (both laughing)
31:37,140 31:41,260 – Right outside of like the parking area,
31:41,260 31:43,900 there was this abandoned house
31:43,900 31:45,380 and everyone called it the hell house,
31:45,380 31:48,660 which is very typical.
31:48,660 31:50,660 but it was right off of the school.
31:50,660 31:52,980 So it was like, everyone ended up
31:52,980 31:54,420 kind of breaking in there and stuff.
31:54,420 31:56,900 And so it’s like covered in spray paint and dilapidated
31:56,900 32:00,260 and like, you know, stuff where kids have like broken tables
32:00,260 32:02,420 and like all this kind of stuff.
32:02,420 32:04,300 So I went, I mean, I went in there a couple of times
32:04,300 32:06,060 until like the novelty wore off.
32:06,060 32:07,180 – Yeah.
32:07,180 32:09,300 And you’re just like, this is just an old, old stinky place.
32:09,300 32:11,580 – It’s just an old stinky place.
32:11,580 32:13,180 But it was interesting, ’cause it was like one of those,
32:13,180 32:16,380 like a really old house where it was like,
32:16,380 32:19,260 there’s a basement and then it’s all like one floor.
32:19,260 32:21,620 So it’s not like, and even like the basement was like,
32:21,620 32:22,940 it was like boarded up or whatever.
32:22,940 32:24,140 So nobody could ever get,
32:24,140 32:25,660 I mean, I’m sure somebody went down there.
32:25,660 32:27,420 – Was it like a Blair Witch house?
32:27,420 32:29,340 – Kind of, like definitely older.
32:29,340 32:34,880 I mean, probably like early 1900s, kind of like old house.
32:34,880 32:39,740 But it was one of the, you know, it’s like where,
32:39,740 32:41,560 where there’s like an old house,
32:41,560 32:43,980 but like it’s surrounded by like strip malls
32:43,980 32:46,900 and highway exits and stuff.
32:46,900 32:48,180 It was that kind of situation.
32:48,180 32:51,180 – Oh, okay, I was like, we couldn’t buy out this land.
32:51,180 32:54,380 – This one tiny hell house could not be purchased.
32:54,380 32:55,980 So whenever we watch, you know,
32:55,980 32:59,620 we’ll watch found footage, ghost hunters,
32:59,620 33:00,740 and that kind of stuff. – Love.
33:00,740 33:02,700 – Very exciting, very fun.
33:02,700 33:05,020 But anytime I see those, like,
33:05,020 33:07,380 ah, kids have broken in and spray painted,
33:07,380 33:09,300 that’s what I think of, is like,
33:09,300 33:12,300 going back to my old hell house that I broke into.
33:12,300 33:13,140 (both laughing)
33:13,140 33:15,260 – You’re like, “Aww.”
33:15,260 33:18,900 – But that was, you know, you take that and it’s like,
33:18,900 33:20,460 “Oh, well, you’re right next to the school.
33:20,460 33:22,680 “It’s middle of the day.
33:22,680 33:23,700 “Who cares?”
33:23,700 33:26,860 – So you’re, but you’re saying ghost hunting
33:26,860 33:29,380 where there is consent.
33:29,380 33:30,620 – Yeah, yes.
33:30,620 33:32,480 Where someone’s like, “My house is haunted.
33:32,480 33:35,100 “Please come with your fancy gadgets
33:35,100 33:38,080 “and get evidence or whatever.”
33:38,080 33:40,740 (both laughing)
33:42,460 33:44,260 – Just super sassy like that.
33:44,260 33:45,460 – Yeah.
33:45,460 33:47,420 Excuse me, could you get your ass over here
33:47,420 33:48,300 and find a ghost please?
33:48,300 33:50,380 Thank you. – Or whatever.
33:50,380 33:52,540 – That’s the voicemail that they leave us.
33:52,540 33:55,300 – And they’re like, “We’re on our way, ma’am.”
33:55,300 33:56,620 – It’s fucking Karen’s man.
33:56,620 33:59,540 – With their ghost.
33:59,540 34:01,820 – I mean, I find it very interesting,
34:01,820 34:04,860 but I think a lot of times some of the stuff can,
34:04,860 34:07,740 like we’ve, you know, there’s a healthy amount
34:07,740 34:09,660 of skepticism is necessary.
34:09,660 34:11,140 – Yes.
34:11,140 34:15,660 And anyone who doesn’t do skepticism
34:15,660 34:18,460 is probably not somebody who can be trusted.
34:18,460 34:20,020 And I mean that for anyone.
34:20,020 34:21,260 I mean that for psychics.
34:21,260 34:23,300 I mean that for witchcraft.
34:23,300 34:24,780 I mean that, and I’m saying that
34:24,780 34:26,340 as somebody who was very weird.
34:26,340 34:30,740 – Yeah, you’re a very logical person
34:30,740 34:34,100 considering the war and the things.
34:34,100 34:36,460 (laughing)
34:36,460 34:39,980 – But I just feel like if you cannot approach things
34:39,980 34:41,620 with some kind of like,
34:41,620 34:44,100 there’s always the possibility this isn’t real.
34:44,100 34:45,500 And it goes the other way around.
34:45,500 34:48,540 Sure, you can say there’s 99% likelihood
34:48,540 34:50,060 that you’ll never see a ghost.
34:50,060 34:53,340 But you should always be skeptical of your own beliefs
34:53,340 34:56,380 enough to say there’s that 1% chance that you will.
34:56,380 34:58,460 I mean, it’s like– – Can you definitively say
34:58,460 34:59,300 you can’t?
34:59,300 35:00,120 No. – Right.
35:00,120 35:01,140 Well, it’s like that thing where they say
35:01,140 35:03,260 that like everyone in their lifetime
35:03,260 35:05,980 like walks by like seven serial killers or whatever.
35:05,980 35:06,820 – Oh yeah. – Whatever, you know,
35:06,820 35:09,740 it’s like, how can you say you’ve never met a serial killer?
35:09,740 35:12,860 you don’t know, how can you say you’ve never met a ghost?
35:12,860 35:13,860 How can you say you’ve never been
35:13,860 35:14,980 in the same room with a ghost?
35:14,980 35:18,100 Just because you believe that they’re not real
35:18,100 35:19,660 doesn’t mean they’re not.
35:19,660 35:21,100 And the other way goes too,
35:21,100 35:23,020 just because you believe that a ghost is real
35:23,020 35:24,820 does not mean that it is.
35:24,820 35:28,100 Everyone’s gotta be skeptical of everything.
35:28,100 35:30,540 Believe nothing, nothing is real.
35:30,540 35:33,100 – Well, and it’s almost, nothing.
35:33,100 35:38,100 It’s almost fun to try and logic away something
35:38,700 35:42,380 And then you kind of hit a wall where it’s like,
35:42,380 35:44,940 I don’t know if I believe my own.
35:44,940 35:46,580 Yeah, I just don’t know.
35:46,580 35:49,100 And you know what, the unknown, it’s a curious thing.
35:49,100 35:50,360 – Exactly. – Love it.
35:50,360 35:54,580 – And I think, I mean, so much of what a ghost entails
35:54,580 36:00,420 reflects the unknown in ways that other things don’t.
36:00,420 36:02,260 Like you look at like monsters and stuff
36:02,260 36:05,220 and you can, there’s not as much ambiguity.
36:05,220 36:06,060 – Yeah.
36:06,060 36:07,420 – Speaking of ghost hunting,
36:07,420 36:11,460 let’s maybe talk a little bit about some of the different,
36:11,460 36:13,740 different techniques and stuff that people do
36:13,740 36:15,880 and our general thoughts on them.
36:15,880 36:19,140 So what do you think about,
36:19,140 36:20,300 like when it comes to ghost hunting,
36:20,300 36:23,300 like do you think cold spots for instance
36:23,300 36:27,180 are like a viable way to detect a spirit?
36:27,180 36:31,340 – I think for any time I’ve ever watched those shows
36:31,340 36:34,940 when the cold spots don’t really
36:34,940 36:36,780 make anything believable for me,
36:36,780 36:40,020 it’s when they like record stuff.
36:40,020 36:41,420 – Yeah.
36:41,420 36:43,540 – Like where they’re like, what do they call it?
36:43,540 36:44,380 EMF?
36:44,380 36:45,420 – Yes.
36:45,420 36:48,140 EMF meters, like the electromagnetic fields.
36:48,140 36:49,140 – Yeah.
36:49,140 36:51,740 – I definitely think can be compelling,
36:51,740 36:54,740 but you also have to consider in modern–
36:54,740 36:55,940 – What are you around?
36:55,940 36:59,420 – Right, in modern day situations,
36:59,420 37:03,020 you are near power lines, you’ve got cords in the walls,
37:03,020 37:06,340 you’ve got microwaves and all sorts of stuff
37:06,340 37:11,340 that give off EMF that you can’t say it’s a ghost.
37:11,340 37:14,240 That being said, if you’re in some old-ass castle
37:14,240 37:17,560 in Germany that doesn’t have running power,
37:17,560 37:19,240 and you get an EMF reading,
37:19,240 37:21,940 I’m running.
37:21,940 37:23,880 – Thank you.
37:23,880 37:24,720 I have a thing for both of you.
37:24,720 37:25,840 – I’m not trusting it.
37:25,840 37:28,640 – There shouldn’t be wifi here.
37:28,640 37:29,680 – I think– – You just throw yourself
37:29,680 37:30,800 down a hill. – And I think it’s similar
37:30,800 37:32,720 with cold spots, especially if you’re in
37:32,720 37:34,680 like a modern enough house
37:34,680 37:36,380 So there’s like air conditioning.
37:36,380 37:39,380 (laughing)
37:39,380 37:40,860 – Spooky. – Ghost.
37:40,860 37:43,140 – I cannot say how many times I’ve been somewhere
37:43,140 37:47,100 and two different people have two completely different
37:47,100 37:48,400 temperature readings.
37:48,400 37:52,040 Because that’s just like how our bodies work.
37:52,040 37:54,580 Like you can’t say because you’ve got a shiver
37:54,580 37:55,420 that there’s a ghost.
37:55,420 37:58,780 Like, no, you’re scared and so your body dropped temperature.
37:58,780 38:01,200 Like, you know, that’s healthy skepticism.
38:02,420 38:06,580 Now, when they do like the, those like the temperature
38:06,580 38:11,580 cameras, filters, and there’s like a moving, you know, like.
38:11,580 38:14,220 – Ooh, the ones with the stick figures.
38:14,220 38:15,040 Have you seen those?
38:15,040 38:15,880 – No.
38:15,880 38:17,300 – What, no, you haven’t?
38:17,300 38:21,400 Wait, wait, be quiet.
38:21,400 38:23,620 Wait.
38:23,620 38:26,900 – Mabel, do you need to go outside?
38:26,900 38:29,820 All right, brief intermission while Reese looks us up.
38:29,820 38:36,820 Oh, perfect.
38:36,820 38:49,040 Oh, already the thumbnails getting me.
38:49,040 38:50,040 Is this a, um,
38:50,040 38:51,040 They’re good.
38:51,040 38:52,500 They’re called the SLS cameras.
38:52,500 38:55,400 I have not seen these, but this is terrifying.
38:55,400 38:57,460 What is it supposed to be?
38:57,460 38:58,820 Capturing a possible ghost with a
38:58,820 39:00,860 – Connect SLS camera. – SLS camera.
39:00,860 39:03,780 Alternative text humanoid bios near environment
39:03,780 39:05,620 similar to kinetic SLS camera
39:05,620 39:08,340 used by real paranormal investigators,
39:08,340 39:13,340 similar to the kinetic tracking in like VR, like video game.
39:13,340 39:15,460 – Interesting.
39:15,460 39:20,060 It’s very fun to see the way that people come up
39:20,060 39:22,860 with new techniques off of technology
39:22,860 39:24,980 because like, I mean, I’ve seen other uses
39:24,980 39:26,860 of these connect cameras where people are using them
39:26,860 39:28,420 to like power robots and shit.
39:28,420 39:33,420 But I have not seen Ghost Hunting with Xbox Kinect.
39:33,420 39:36,620 I have not, it’s a unique one for me.
39:36,620 39:39,840 – You just like strap an Xbox camera to yourself
39:39,840 39:41,020 and just go at it.
39:41,020 39:48,460 Those I like because the creepiness of the movement,
39:48,460 39:51,360 like somebody is standing there and you see there,
39:51,360 39:53,160 and then you see something that’s not there
39:53,160 39:54,960 and it also looks like a person.
39:54,960 39:57,040 – Yeah, ’cause you definitely like,
39:57,040 40:00,360 – I mean, it’s picking up on something
40:00,360 40:02,720 long enough for it to track.
40:02,720 40:05,160 – That has arms and legs.
40:05,160 40:09,400 – That has the right appendages to be picked up.
40:09,400 40:10,240 – Headless.
40:10,240 40:11,840 (both laughing)
40:11,840 40:13,360 I’ve seen one that was really creepy
40:13,360 40:16,280 that was like one of those,
40:16,280 40:17,960 but it was like down on all fours.
40:17,960 40:20,720 And I was like, no. – Oh, jeez, no thank you.
40:20,720 40:21,560 Because you can imagine–
40:21,560 40:23,760 – You get back up, you furry fuck.
40:23,760 40:24,920 – Right, I mean, I think Connect
40:24,920 40:28,000 to some kind of infrared something.
40:28,000 40:28,840 And you could see it like–
40:28,840 40:30,840 – So body heat, right?
40:30,840 40:31,740 – I think so.
40:31,740 40:33,480 Right?
40:33,480 40:34,300 Yeah.
40:34,300 40:36,640 You could see it picking,
40:36,640 40:37,640 no, I think it’s like,
40:37,640 40:38,600 isn’t it like,
40:38,600 40:42,020 it like tracks like the distance of light or something?
40:42,020 40:45,760 We know things.
40:45,760 40:46,600 – Yeah.
40:46,600 40:48,160 (laughing)
40:48,160 40:50,080 My professional opinion, you’re right.
40:50,080 40:51,000 – We’re experts.
40:51,000 40:51,840 – Yeah.
40:51,840 40:54,100 (laughing)
40:54,100 40:58,780 Stickman, stickman tracker.
40:58,780 41:02,420 Stickman coming to a scary movie theater near you.
41:02,420 41:04,960 He’s crawling toward you.
41:04,960 41:07,780 So that’s a that’s a thing.
41:07,780 41:09,220 So we have the EMS.
41:09,220 41:10,900 We have cold spots.
41:10,900 41:16,460 Infrared and or ultrasonic motor sensors detect possible anomalous movement within a given
41:16,460 41:21,860 area or to assist in creating a controlled environment where any human movement is detected.
41:21,860 41:25,620 air quality, Geiger counters, compasses,
41:25,620 41:29,420 all sorts of things that are potentially
41:29,420 41:33,920 not fans of ghosts.
41:33,920 41:37,460 I ran out of words.
41:37,460 41:42,820 And on that note, I think it’s time.
41:42,820 41:45,720 We bid adieu to you and you and you.
41:45,720 41:48,100 – Ghosts.
41:48,100 41:49,180 – That’s from the Sound of Music,
41:49,180 41:50,780 which does not have any ghosts in it,
41:50,780 41:52,180 that I know of.
41:52,180 41:53,000 – It doesn’t?
41:53,000 41:56,620 – No, but you know what would be an interesting topic?
41:56,620 41:59,940 Would be like when there’s like movies
41:59,940 42:02,460 and there’s like creepy behind the scenes stuff
42:02,460 42:03,300 that you don’t know about.
42:03,300 42:04,120 – Yeah, oh yeah, I love that.
42:04,120 42:05,580 – Like that dead person in,
42:05,580 42:09,260 not the sound of music,
42:09,260 42:10,980 in the dead person in,
42:10,980 42:15,540 you know, it’s like Dorothy.
42:15,540 42:16,380 – Wizard of Oz?
42:16,380 42:18,660 – Thank you. (laughs)
42:18,660 42:20,660 (LAUGHS)
42:20,660 42:22,760 Oh, my God.
42:22,760 42:25,560 The struggle is real.
42:25,560 42:27,900 -But we got there. -Thank you all so much.
42:27,900 42:30,100 -Wait, there’s a dead person? -Yeah, there’s–
42:30,100 42:32,940 -Oh, yeah, there sure is. -Oh, okay.
42:32,940 42:34,700 So…
42:34,700 42:37,200 Yep.
42:37,200 42:39,680 I’m gonna look it up later, I guess.
42:39,680 42:42,580 Let’s all look it up. There’s a dead person in…
42:42,580 42:46,320 -The Wizard of Oz. -Thank you.
42:46,320 42:47,420 (LAUGHS)
42:48,020 42:49,020 Oh, no.
42:49,020 42:51,520 All right, we have to wrap this up.
42:51,520 42:53,120 -So… -Your brain is melting.
42:53,120 42:54,520 -I can see it happening. -My brain!
42:54,520 42:56,020 Okay, bye, everyone.
42:56,020 42:58,420 -Bye. Thank you for joining us. -Bye.
42:58,420 42:59,520 You’re my favorite.
42:59,520 43:01,320 Go– Go ghost hunting.
43:01,320 43:02,820 -Especially you. -Tell us how it goes.
43:02,820 43:04,120 (BOTH LAUGHING)
43:04,120 43:08,020 -And, um… -We’re not responsible if you die.
43:08,020 43:11,820 Make sure to subscribe to A Killing Jar on YouTube.
43:11,820 43:13,120 Yes.
43:13,120 43:14,720 -Okay, bye. -Bye.
43:14,720 43:17,120 Oh, and by the way, next week,
43:17,420 43:19,620 We’re watching the thing.
43:19,620 43:20,820 – We’re watching the thing.
43:20,820 43:23,340 – Not just like the thing, like what are we watching?
43:23,340 43:26,260 Like we’re watching the movie, the thing.
43:26,260 43:27,100 – The thing.
43:27,100 43:27,940 (laughing)
43:27,940 43:30,220 John Carpenter’s The Thing.
43:30,220 43:34,340 – So you have a week to get it together,
43:34,340 43:36,140 figure it out, watch it somehow,
43:36,140 43:40,380 or just come back and hear us blabber on about it
43:40,380 43:41,580 without any context.
43:41,580 43:44,380 But we would rather you watch it ahead of time.
43:44,380 43:49,780 If you have a Peacock subscription, not sponsored, you can watch it on there.
43:49,780 43:51,900 Or it’s $4 to rent.
43:51,900 43:55,700 So or pirate it.
43:55,700 43:56,700 Whatever you need to do.
43:56,700 43:57,700 Whatever, whatever gets you there.
43:57,700 43:58,700 Okay, bye.
43:58,700 43:58,700 Bye.
43:58,700 44:00,700 Okay, bye. Bye.
44:00,700 44:03,280 (upbeat music)
44:03,280 44:05,860 (upbeat music)
44:05,860 44:08,440 (upbeat music)
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44:13,600 44:16,180 (upbeat music)
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THAT WITCH DOESN’T KILL YOU: URBAN LEGENDS

This week on the pod… as a follow up to Urban Legends and a final hoorah for Halloween, Jacob and Reese travel beyooond the graveee to bring you a very special halloween day episode all about ghost stories. The pair discuss the trend of shortest scary stories, butt stabbings, horror tropes, ghost hunting, and the spooky-ooky feeling of being all alone. 

In this episode, we started by looking back at the phenomenon of Pokémon Go, but quickly found ourselves discussing clowns and how if you’re going to act like the Joker, you should commit to it fully.

Urban legends became the core of our chat. We tackled the bizarre myths, fanfiction, and reminisced about shows like MythBusters. We also dug into the strange tale of Alexandria’s Genesis, which stemmed from Daria fanfiction.

From there, we touched on various urban legends, such as the Bunnyman Bridge, killer dolls, and the Bell Witch. The discussion flowed easily from one topic to another, each one spurring thoughts and ideas for future videos.

The conversation had a bit of everything: humor, intrigue, and that unique spark that comes from diving into the unknown. I’m already looking forward to our next talk.

For a final halloween treat, for the first time on the podcast today’s episode features a very special guest to tell us a ghost story of her very own… our friend Vivian! 

*hear ye, hear ye* NEXT WEEK! We watch 1982’s The Thing. We’d love for you to join us. 

 Transcript:

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00:00,000 00:04,720 Hi there, Jacob here. Stick around to the end of the episode for a little preview of
00:04,720 00:09,400 our latest video on YouTube, A Killing Jar. Okay, no more self-advertising. Let’s get
00:09,400 00:10,400 to it.
00:10,400 00:11,400 Hi!
00:11,400 00:12,400 Hi!
00:12,400 00:13,400 Oh my goodness. What a horrible start.
00:13,400 00:14,400 Okay, try again. We’ll try again.
00:14,400 00:15,400 Okay, so I’m going to start with a little bit of a preview of our latest video on YouTube,
00:15,400 00:16,400 A Killing Jar. Okay, no more self-advertising. Let’s get to it.
00:16,400 00:17,400 Hi!
00:17,400 00:18,400 Hi!
00:18,400 00:19,400 Oh my goodness. What a horrible start.
00:19,400 00:20,400 Okay, try again. We’ll try again.
00:20,400 00:21,400 Okay, so I’m going to start with a little bit of a preview of our latest video on YouTube,
00:21,400 00:22,400 A Killing Jar. Okay, no more self-advertising. Let’s get to it.
00:22,400 00:23,400 Hi!
00:23,400 00:24,400 Hi!
00:24,400 00:33,880 horrible start. Okay, try again. What’s your favorite urban legend? Mothman. That makes
00:33,880 00:43,300 sense. Why? Because you talk about Mothman a lot and you like moths and men. I do. My
00:43,300 00:51,700 point exactly. For those not watching video, Rhys has slowly stripped away his exterior
00:51,700 00:54,780 to reveal his moth-like insides.
00:54,780 00:56,980 – I have a moth tattoo.
00:56,980 00:59,220 What about you?
00:59,220 01:00,620 What’s your favorite?
01:00,620 01:01,460 – I don’t know.
01:01,460 01:06,460 I think I was a big fan of the “Beyond Belief” show
01:06,460 01:11,300 when I was a child.
01:11,300 01:12,700 It was the one where they would give you
01:12,700 01:15,500 a fact or fiction narratives.
01:15,500 01:17,780 They would give you three or four an episode
01:17,780 01:20,820 and you would have to guess, is this true or false?
01:20,820 01:25,820 And I always loved just being like, no, that’s fake.
01:25,820 01:27,540 Or like, no, that’s true.
01:27,540 01:28,700 Oh my God, that’s so real.
01:28,700 01:30,860 And then of course, looking back on it now,
01:30,860 01:32,460 like I was watching some of them
01:32,460 01:36,500 and I was just like, yeah, these are all pretty bad.
01:36,500 01:40,380 – But it’s fun when you’re young.
01:40,380 01:42,460 – Exactly, I’m like, you know, it’s fine.
01:42,460 01:44,780 And apparently like the first season
01:44,780 01:48,220 was hosted by Josh Berlin’s dad,
01:48,220 01:52,780 which is like very random thing.
01:52,780 01:54,780 Do you say who’s Josh Brolin?
01:54,780 01:56,100 – Hey, Thanos. – Thanos?
01:56,100 02:00,300 – Oh, whoa. – Fucking Thanos.
02:00,300 02:01,620 How dare you?
02:01,620 02:03,180 – His dad?
02:03,180 02:05,940 – Yeah, his name is apparently James.
02:05,940 02:07,700 I just find the concept of people
02:07,700 02:12,300 like believing random things like really interesting,
02:12,300 02:14,980 especially when it’s like very clearly false.
02:14,980 02:18,180 But you know, in the 90s and early 2000s,
02:18,180 02:19,740 that was like cute.
02:19,740 02:23,300 And now it’s like going to be the end of our country
02:23,300 02:24,860 and possibly planet.
02:24,860 02:25,700 – It was cute back then.
02:25,700 02:28,700 – It’s like our whole world is an urban legend.
02:28,700 02:31,420 – But did you see,
02:31,420 02:35,460 ’cause it makes me think of ghost stuff and ghost hunters.
02:35,460 02:40,460 Did you see that new Netflix show, “The 28 Days” thing?
02:40,460 02:43,820 It’s like, and this has always been my thing.
02:43,820 02:47,780 So these, it’s not a ghost episode,
02:47,780 02:49,380 I’m about to make it a ghost episode.
02:49,380 02:51,280 So, you know, you know, these ghost hunters,
02:51,280 02:55,420 they go and they’re only there for like a night or two
02:55,420 02:58,280 and they don’t see anything.
02:58,280 02:59,940 And it’s like, well, yeah, you won’t
02:59,940 03:02,340 because you were just there for one night.
03:02,340 03:05,680 So these people stay in these haunted places for 20 days.
03:05,680 03:08,180 – Ah.
03:08,180 03:09,740 – I think that’s a very good concept.
03:09,740 03:12,020 And that could be applied to anywhere
03:12,020 03:14,100 where you think something isn’t real.
03:14,100 03:16,260 You just probably aren’t there long enough.
03:17,340 03:19,300 That’s a very good point.
03:19,300 03:20,940 Like maybe people would find Bigfoot
03:20,940 03:23,620 if you just like spent more time in the woods.
03:23,620 03:27,980 – Yeah, if you, you know, just got to know him.
03:27,980 03:28,820 – You know what?
03:28,820 03:30,060 I don’t wanna go outside either.
03:30,060 03:32,220 I don’t want people taking photos of me.
03:32,220 03:33,060 I get it.
03:33,060 03:35,260 – I mean, and if he’s all big,
03:35,260 03:37,060 then it’s not just his feet that are big.
03:37,060 03:38,300 So that’s kind of rude.
03:38,300 03:43,300 – I think Bunnyman is interesting being so local to our area,
03:43,300 03:45,260 just like the whole concept and everything.
03:45,260 03:51,740 And like, going through the research, just learning how ridiculously like shoddy its
03:51,740 03:53,540 background information is.
03:53,540 03:58,820 It’s like one man wears a suit and now we have like, an entire mythos.
03:58,820 03:59,820 I know that.
03:59,820 04:03,380 That’s funny, because the more I was like kind of doing research on it, the more I was
04:03,380 04:07,860 like, I just want to stick with the legend I knew.
04:07,860 04:11,060 And there’s probably a lot of people feel that way, too, because they’re just like,
04:11,060 04:14,260 “Okay, well, let’s continue to just lie.”
04:14,260 04:18,980 Like, it’s a man, and it was, you know,
04:18,980 04:21,660 going to Lorton Prison, and it crashed,
04:21,660 04:24,220 and all these things, and he kills all the bunnies.
04:24,220 04:28,300 And it’s like, “Well, actually,
04:28,300 04:33,300 there was an insane asylum in Lorton, Virginia, so.”
04:33,300 04:35,660 – So actually.
04:35,660 04:38,020 – So actually, I’m just gonna well actually
04:38,020 04:44,660 my own local. Well, what was you said you wanted to stick to like what you knew? What
04:44,660 04:52,700 was the version that you grew up with? Just that it was I remember, it was a guy who escaped
04:52,700 05:02,540 from an insane asylum, and had went into the woods and killed bunnies and made like a coat
05:02,540 05:04,220 or a suit of the bunnies.
05:04,220 05:06,660 That’s why I thought he was called Bunny Man.
05:06,660 05:08,340 – Oh, jeez. – I thought he did that.
05:08,340 05:12,100 And I heard that he lived at the Bunny Man Drill.
05:12,100 05:13,220 – Was this something you were told
05:13,220 05:14,980 or something that you heard the name
05:14,980 05:17,580 and were like, “Oh yeah, it’s a suit of bunnies.”
05:17,580 05:19,340 – No, it was what me and my friends,
05:19,340 05:21,020 like it’s what they were. – Interesting.
05:21,020 05:23,200 – Well, we told each other in,
05:23,200 05:27,740 I was in middle school, high school.
05:27,740 05:30,140 – Well, it’s kind of funny because you
05:30,140 05:33,300 were obviously much more closer to Lorton
05:33,300 05:35,460 from your undisclosed location as a child.
05:35,460 05:39,220 And I was much closer to Clifton
05:39,220 05:41,620 from my undisclosed location as a child,
05:41,620 05:44,100 but I didn’t learn about Bunnymen Bridge
05:44,100 05:45,920 until I was an adult already.
05:45,920 05:48,980 Like it was not something I knew about as a teenager
05:48,980 05:50,300 because I didn’t talk to anybody.
05:50,300 05:52,860 So like who was gonna tell me about it?
05:52,860 05:55,300 But I lived like 15 minutes from it.
05:55,300 05:59,680 – And bridge, I remember in my head before we went there,
05:59,680 06:02,600 Am I skipping ahead to the legend tripping on accident?
06:02,600 06:03,440 – That’s fine, that’s fine.
06:03,440 06:04,920 – Is that okay?
06:04,920 06:06,340 Legend tripping.
06:06,340 06:10,600 – We need little bumpers, little audio bumpers
06:10,600 06:11,940 at the beginning of new segments.
06:11,940 06:13,580 We’re just like, legend tripping.
06:13,580 06:22,000 – I had like an idea in my head
06:22,000 06:24,600 of what the bridge was gonna look like when we went.
06:24,600 06:27,280 I know we went at night
06:27,280 06:33,520 And your friend like took a lot of pictures so I was able to kind of see some stuff like in the bridge
06:33,520 06:35,520 uh
06:35,520 06:37,520 but
06:37,520 06:39,840 I
06:39,840 06:43,920 You know and there was other stuff going on. So I don’t remember actually being that scared
06:43,920 06:47,280 I was definitely nervous just from the point of view of like
06:47,280 06:53,360 We’re out here thinking that there’s like a person that kills people
06:53,360 06:56,320 And we’re trying to find it
06:56,720 06:59,280 Yeah. A whole bunch of kids.
06:59,280 07:04,000 Was that the same time, or the same day we went to Clifton and we were trying to go to
07:04,000 07:08,000 the top of that area and you were like freaking out?
07:08,000 07:13,720 Yeah, because it’s like, and then we ended up like in Woodbridge.
07:13,720 07:21,600 Yeah, so Clifton terrifies me for far more reasons than Bunnyman. Like Bunnyman is the
07:21,600 07:23,360 least of my concerns.
07:23,360 07:30,360 Well, in freaking Clifton, we, uh, didn’t we like, either I heard about it or it happens,
07:30,360 07:34,600 but like, there’s like a crossroad or whatever you get stuck on.
07:34,600 07:37,880 Like that sounds believable.
07:37,880 07:43,480 I know that whenever I’m in Clifton, I can be going down a very clear like road and somehow
07:43,480 07:44,480 I’m on another road.
07:44,480 07:45,480 And I’m like, what the fuck did I do?
07:45,480 07:50,520 Yeah, no, I was, I was freaking out because we were like, it was very off road and we
07:50,520 07:56,440 We kept on going up and we went through this crazy ass way and somehow we ended up in Woodbridge,
07:56,440 07:57,440 Potomac.
07:57,440 08:00,320 Yeah, it’s just a weird area in general.
08:00,320 08:02,960 Let’s talk about some other urban legends.
08:02,960 08:06,920 I’ve got a little list here from good old Wikipedia.
08:06,920 08:08,400 We’re stealing content.
08:08,400 08:09,960 Wiki Wiki.
08:09,960 08:11,880 Oh, this is actually a really good one.
08:11,880 08:14,400 I’m sure you’ve probably heard of this one.
08:14,400 08:16,080 Have you heard of the 27 Club?
08:16,080 08:17,080 No.
08:17,080 08:18,080 What’s that?
08:18,080 08:19,080 Oh my God.
08:19,080 08:26,080 It’s actually very up our alley as alternative lifestyle peoples.
08:26,080 08:32,000 So it’s an urban legend that says popular musicians and other celebrated artists die
08:32,000 08:33,000 at age 27.
08:33,000 08:34,000 Oh, that’s what that’s called.
08:34,000 08:43,920 Yes, with a statistical anomalous frequency, a whole bunch of people dying at 27, famous
08:43,920 08:44,920 celebrities.
08:44,920 08:50,200 So these are people like Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain, Amy Winehouse.
08:50,200 08:57,680 I mean, it kind of makes sense to like, I could believe it because like, even if the
08:57,680 09:04,600 spike isn’t real, these are all people who are living like non straight edge fantasies,
09:04,600 09:05,600 right?
09:05,600 09:09,840 So eventually, like a lifestyle is going to catch up with you.
09:09,840 09:21,160 So you either make it to 27 and go on to live a life full of ruckus behavior or you don’t
09:21,160 09:22,160 make it.
09:22,160 09:23,160 You doubt.
09:23,160 09:25,200 And I mean, you know what?
09:25,200 09:28,440 Being 27 is kind of hard.
09:28,440 09:30,840 Honestly, 27 is hard enough.
09:30,840 09:37,400 And then you throw in touring and drugs and everything they do.
09:37,400 09:39,720 Yeah, I could believe it.
09:39,720 09:43,000 This next one I think is pretty stupid.
09:43,000 09:44,680 But I’m gonna, you know what, no.
09:44,680 09:47,120 I’m gonna let people make their own decisions.
09:47,120 09:52,680 The 999 phone charging myth is an urban legend which claims that calling the police and fire
09:52,680 09:56,120 services then hanging up charges mobile phone batteries.
09:56,120 09:59,120 999 I think is UK, I think?
09:59,120 10:01,240 I don’t know, actually.
10:01,240 10:02,240 But I’m pretty sure it is.
10:02,240 10:03,240 But this just-
10:03,240 10:06,240 You call them, you hang up, and you charge your phone.
10:06,240 10:08,000 It just doesn’t make any sense.
10:08,000 10:09,440 How would that improve your battery?
10:09,440 10:14,640 people don’t be thinking. I’ve never heard of that.
10:14,640 10:20,160 Oh, the 1962 Halloween Massacre was an urban legend about a terrifying photo at
10:20,160 10:25,120 a costume party in which seven people were killed on Halloween night in 1962.
10:25,120 10:30,240 I had not heard about this one. So I’m gonna go ahead and take a look. Is that on Halloween?
10:30,240 10:37,760 I guess so. Oh, that’s spooky. Here, I’ve got the link. Let me see.
10:37,760 10:43,680 All right, so we’ve got here a Snopes article about the 1962 Halloween massacre
10:43,680 10:52,560 that is rated it false. Spoilers. But if I were to describe the image, it definitely looks very old.
10:52,560 11:00,080 It’s got a lot of those like old costumes that I really like that are like head coverings and masks
11:00,080 11:09,360 and hats. And they’re very creepy. It looks a lot of like clown masks kind of vibe.
11:09,360 11:12,000 Have you heard of this?
11:12,000 11:21,680 Upside down face man. There’s that. Have you ever heard of the man with the upside down face?
11:21,680 11:22,720 No.
11:22,720 11:25,440 Are you gonna send me a link?
11:25,440 11:26,640 Yeah.
11:26,640 11:27,760 Okay.
11:27,760 11:28,600 Okay.
11:28,600 11:34,760 – ‘Cause that just reminded me,
11:34,760 11:41,120 I follow this guy on Twitter
11:41,120 11:43,040 and he’s like a horror artist,
11:43,040 11:45,920 but it had like the same vibe of like,
11:45,920 11:49,720 there’ll be these olden day pictures
11:49,720 11:54,720 and it’ll be like pictures taken at like tragedies and stuff
11:56,600 11:59,400 If you look really hard, you see like a man with an upside down face.
11:59,400 12:01,800 Oh, I don’t like it.
12:01,800 12:04,200 I know it’s so great, right?
12:04,200 12:08,440 This this definitely gives me like a lot of like the A.R.G.
12:08,440 12:10,940 by some like creepypastas.
12:10,940 12:15,140 Yeah, I really like that one where the that there’s that car accident.
12:15,140 12:19,440 The very first related link is who is Jeff the killer?
12:19,440 12:20,900 Creepypasta is evil villain.
12:20,900 12:23,000 Creepypasta should be a whole separate thing.
12:23,000 12:25,400 We definitely should have one about that.
12:26,040 12:31,720 Yes, um, I have I have some favorite kibbe pastas remember we used to uh
12:31,720 12:36,680 We used to listen to that one guy read the kibbe pastas. Oh, yeah
12:36,680 12:40,360 It’s funny because like I mean it’s kind of like pre-podcast
12:40,360 12:45,480 Oh, I guess we were listening to podcasts then too, but it’s like before the big podcast boom when it was like a lot smaller
12:45,480 12:47,080 um
12:47,080 12:49,080 We just wanted to creep ourselves out
12:49,080 12:53,720 Well, and there’s still a lot of like youtubers that do that
12:53,720 12:55,640 um
12:55,640 12:56,640 And I just feel like…
12:56,640 12:57,640 Do you read scary stories?
12:57,640 13:00,160 Yeah, and I’m all for it.
13:00,160 13:02,360 You know, do your creative thing.
13:02,360 13:04,160 You’ve got the voice for it, go for it.
13:04,160 13:05,160 Yeah.
13:05,160 13:09,720 But it is kind of lazy to just like throw an image on the screen, read someone else’s
13:09,720 13:13,000 work and then get a million views for it.
13:13,000 13:16,320 But hey, what, you know, I’m not going to complain.
13:16,320 13:18,480 I mean, if you got the voice for it.
13:18,480 13:19,480 2016 clown sightings.
13:19,480 13:22,440 I mean, I wouldn’t consider that an urban legend.
13:22,440 13:24,040 That was definitely actually happening.
13:24,040 13:25,520 That was a real thing.
13:25,520 13:27,160 I was in Tennessee at the time.
13:27,160 13:28,940 I’m so sorry.
13:28,940 13:31,200 Of all places to be, that is not one.
13:31,200 13:31,920 I know.
13:31,920 13:35,680 I was scared of the cows in my backyard.
13:35,680 13:39,720 Would have definitely been scared of clowns.
13:39,720 13:43,800 And that was the height of Pokemon Go.
13:43,800 13:45,920 Everyone was outside doing things.
13:45,920 13:48,040 Pokemon Go to the polls this November.
13:48,040 13:49,600 Don’t forget everyone.
13:49,600 13:51,000 Yay!
13:51,000 13:53,200 All right, Hillary.
13:53,200 13:55,200 [laughter]
13:55,200 14:04,000 Could you imagine if you like looked out your back door and you just saw a clown tipping over a cow?
14:04,000 14:06,000 Oh. [laughter]
14:06,000 14:08,000 Those poor cows. I’m like, “No!”
14:08,000 14:15,000 I, you know, I mean, it makes me think of, I mean, I talked about like the ring footage cameras last episode, but
14:15,000 14:21,000 um, a lot of clowns end up on those videos and I’m just like, “Y’all need to chill.”
14:21,000 14:26,800 Like you’re not really about that life and I know a lot of those little security footage
14:26,800 14:30,720 ones, the moment they think they see someone, they like scurry off like a little bitch.
14:30,720 14:33,720 If you’re going to be about that life, you’re going to try to be the Joker.
14:33,720 14:36,080 The Joker doesn’t run away and hide, okay?
14:36,080 14:38,800 He slaughters you and he laughs about it.
14:38,800 14:39,800 That’s it.
14:39,800 14:42,800 Why are you giving pep talks to me?
14:42,800 14:50,120 I’m just saying, if you’re really going to be about that life, be about it.
14:50,120 14:57,120 about why you have the mask on. What are you hiding? Who are you hiding?
14:57,120 15:00,120 Hello? Who’s in there?
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15:16,120 15:21,120 but not before they catch the aerial water bomber picking up scuba diver.
15:21,120 15:23,120 I don’t know what this means.
15:23,120 15:25,120 What are the words you said?
15:25,120 15:27,120 Yeah.
15:27,120 15:29,120 Aerial water bomber.
15:29,120 15:34,120 I guess I could read the info text that immediately follows the title.
15:34,120 15:36,120 What? I need you to explain to me.
15:36,120 15:41,120 It’s an urban legend about a water bomber or a helicopter with a dangling water bucket
15:41,120 15:44,880 bucket, scooping up a scuba diver and dumping them on a
15:44,880 15:52,200 wildfire. Legend was used as a plot device in the film Barney’s
15:52,200 15:55,400 version. I don’t know what that means. The urban legend
15:55,400 15:58,880 debunking site Snopes reports there are no proven cases of
15:58,880 16:02,720 this happening in reality. While the Discovery Channel show
16:02,720 16:07,200 Mythbusters also to prove disproved the myth. Mythbusters
16:07,400 16:09,640 is another TV show I used to love as a child
16:09,640 16:13,600 that was related to like this like urban legend thing.
16:13,600 16:15,920 I used to love watching that show.
16:15,920 16:17,520 – What happened?
16:17,520 16:19,040 – It stopped airing.
16:19,040 16:19,880 – It did?
16:19,880 16:20,700 – I think.
16:20,700 16:21,960 – I always thought there was sexual tension
16:21,960 16:23,160 between those two guys.
16:23,160 16:24,000 – It’s hot.
16:24,000 16:24,820 Good for them.
16:24,820 16:27,280 – I mean, you can say it’s hot, but you know, it’s fine.
16:27,280 16:28,800 – Yeah, it’s for them, you know,
16:28,800 16:31,280 like I make really about like people like personality,
16:31,280 16:33,040 you know, like I don’t judge people by their looks.
16:33,040 16:34,760 Like I’m not that kind of person.
16:34,760 16:36,880 – The walrus man and his lover.
16:36,880 16:38,760 Oh, I heard about this one on the internet.
16:38,760 16:42,400 Did you hear about Alexandria’s Genesis during your time on Tumblr?
16:42,400 16:50,480 Wait, wait, you guys send me these things. I don’t,
16:50,480 16:51,560 I need to see.
16:51,560 16:53,760 That’s going to be a no, you don’t know it by the name.
16:53,760 16:55,760 So I don’t have a link here.
16:55,760 16:56,840 Tell me it again.
16:56,840 17:00,120 So it’s called Alexandria’s Genesis.
17:00,120 17:04,600 It’s a purported genetic mutation that gives its carrier purple eyes,
17:04,600 17:06,000 shimmering pale skin.
17:06,000 17:12,240 Okay, there we go. A lack of body hair and a lack of menstruation while still remaining
17:12,240 17:18,920 fertile. That’s impossible. I what do you just have one egg sitting in there? Just waiting,
17:18,920 17:25,840 just waiting to make this. I remember like when you that was such a weird thing that
17:25,840 17:33,280 I that I would see around. I never thought that was really it’s like when you have like,
17:33,280 17:37,360 You know, you have to check the gun to make sure there’s not like a bullet in the chamber.
17:37,360 17:39,000 There’s just an egg waiting.
17:39,000 17:41,440 It’s just like going back and forth, rolling.
17:41,440 17:46,720 People want to be freaking weeaboos.
17:46,720 17:51,680 So apparently it was originated in a Daria fanfiction in 1998.
17:51,680 17:52,680 Daria?
17:52,680 17:53,680 Like…
17:53,680 17:56,840 Yeah, like my queen Daria.
17:56,840 17:57,840 What does she have to do?
17:57,840 17:59,760 Was there an Alexandria on that show?
17:59,760 18:02,080 It’s been a little while.
18:02,080 18:10,200 Is it like an original character or like a type of what’s that really famous Harry Potter
18:10,200 18:11,200 one?
18:11,200 18:13,680 Oh, the really bad one?
18:13,680 18:16,360 Yeah, Raven something here.
18:16,360 18:17,360 Urban Legend.
18:17,360 18:21,120 That’s how bad it was.
18:21,120 18:22,120 My immortal.
18:22,120 18:23,120 That’s what it was.
18:23,120 18:24,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:24,120 18:25,120 Ebony darkness, dementia, Raven way.
18:25,120 18:26,120 What a name.
18:26,120 18:31,600 Oh, we’re gonna have to have a fanfic episode.
18:31,600 18:38,540 The podcast is basically like the thought experiment of like, if I were to make a video
18:38,540 18:43,900 on this topic, what are the rabbit holes I would go down?
18:43,900 18:47,620 Speaking of rabbit holes, check out our latest video on the YouTube channel.
18:47,620 18:48,620 Bunnyman.
18:48,620 18:49,620 About the Bunnyman Bridge.
18:49,620 18:50,620 Bunnyman.
18:50,620 18:55,740 I just started talking about Annabelle was one of the next ones.
18:55,740 18:59,540 And I definitely want to talk just killer dolls in general at some point.
18:59,540 19:00,540 Yes.
19:00,540 19:06,420 That’s pretty well known. We’ve talked about that on our well, we’ve mentioned it already before and to clarify where it was
19:06,420 19:14,220 The bandage man is an urban legend that describes a logger who died in a grizzly sawmill accident
19:14,220 19:18,060 Who attacks cars and terrorizes teenagers?
19:18,060 19:27,180 This goes with my theory that a lot of like like the mid-century urban legends are all flashers, which is very interesting
19:27,940 19:32,940 – Or like industrial based deaths type of thing like that.
19:32,940 19:36,620 – And they’re always attacking people in cars,
19:36,620 19:40,180 in like bridges, lovers lanes.
19:40,180 19:41,940 Ooh, the Bell Witch.
19:41,940 19:44,220 – Oh, okay, I know the Bell Witch.
19:44,220 19:48,020 – What do you know about the Bell Witch?
19:48,020 19:48,860 – Okay.
19:48,860 19:55,860 Oh, I was thinking about the witch’s own.
19:55,860 19:59,300 – No, but the bell witch, the cave is in Tennessee.
19:59,300 20:00,500 – Yes, it is in Tennessee.
20:00,500 20:04,580 – I used to pass it all the time on my way into Nashville,
20:04,580 20:09,580 but it was like a cave near a house,
20:09,580 20:13,700 and this house was like, they got cursed
20:13,700 20:18,700 because of something they did to this witch or something.
20:18,700 20:19,740 – Fair.
20:19,740 20:20,580 – I know.
20:20,580 20:21,400 – That sounds fair to me.
20:21,400 20:22,240 – Okay, tell me.
20:22,240 20:25,540 – Oh, I don’t know anything about it.
20:25,540 20:26,940 I’m just reading off a list.
20:26,940 20:28,440 – Oh.
20:28,440 20:29,820 – Well, not a fundamental element
20:29,820 20:31,340 of the original recorded legend,
20:31,340 20:33,100 the Bellweth Cave in the 20th century
20:33,100 20:34,980 became a source of continuing interest,
20:34,980 20:36,580 belief and generation of lore.
20:36,580 20:37,400 Interesting.
20:37,400 20:39,180 And that’s interesting that that was like
20:39,180 20:40,780 the thing that stood out to you.
20:40,780 20:41,620 – What?
20:41,620 20:45,500 – The cave, that it wasn’t an original part of the story,
20:45,500 20:49,420 but it kind of became part of the fundamental part of it.
20:49,420 20:51,700 – I think when I passed it,
20:51,700 20:53,860 the sign would say Bellweth Cave.
20:54,820 20:56,820 I think that’s what I remember.
20:56,820 20:59,660 So I was always like, I’m gonna go there.
20:59,660 21:02,140 – I would love to do like a two minute video on this.
21:02,140 21:04,260 This is, I’m gonna go ahead and pin this.
21:04,260 21:05,980 – Yeah, go with it. – Put a pin in it.
21:05,980 21:10,180 I think, yeah, so right now I’m working on a little project
21:10,180 21:11,660 that’s gonna take a while,
21:11,660 21:14,720 but I do want to kind of incorporate
21:14,720 21:17,660 a lot of these urban legends into more videos.
21:17,660 21:19,500 I think they’re really interesting.
21:19,500 21:22,980 – I like anything spooky, anything creepy.
21:22,980 21:25,420 – I like monsters.
21:25,420 21:27,500 I watched “Hellraiser” this weekend.
21:27,500 21:30,840 I wanna do something about that.
21:30,840 21:33,740 When you said the village cave,
21:33,740 21:36,980 I was thinking about there’s this unsolved case
21:36,980 21:40,680 of who put Bella in the witch’s elm.
21:40,680 21:44,060 – I don’t know what that means.
21:44,060 21:48,740 – There was a skeleton found in,
21:48,740 21:53,740 a woman skeleton found in a tree by these two kids.
21:53,740 21:59,000 And they’re trying to figure out for the longest time,
21:59,000 22:00,240 like, who is she?
22:00,240 22:02,200 How she got in this tree?
22:02,200 22:04,060 How she died?
22:04,060 22:07,380 Some people think that she was a,
22:07,380 22:09,480 like some type of spy or something.
22:09,480 22:12,840 And she like, unfortunately parachuted
22:12,840 22:14,340 into the middle of a tree.
22:14,340 22:16,840 – Parachute?
22:16,840 22:18,840 Yeah, because there was like
22:18,840 22:21,720 Did she have a parachute on her?
22:21,720 22:25,400 Well, she did been she’d been in there for so long that she like
22:25,400 22:28,960 Decomposed so there’s like not a lot. There wasn’t a lot of stuff
22:28,960 22:35,040 they could use to tell like who was but she had like some clothes and
22:35,040 22:39,520 What is the material of a parachute they found that
22:40,520 22:44,120 Okay, was it Amelia Earhart? Did they finally find her?
22:44,120 22:46,120 Her and her crab buddies.
22:46,120 22:48,120 Just parachuting into a tree.
22:48,120 22:50,120 I don’t know what that means. Crab buddies?
22:50,120 22:53,520 Yeah, Amelia Earhart got eaten by coconut crabs.
22:53,520 22:54,520 What?
22:54,520 22:55,520 Myth!
22:55,520 22:57,520 [laughter]
22:57,520 22:59,520 You never heard that?
22:59,520 23:00,520 No.
23:00,520 23:02,520 She got eaten by coconut crabs.
23:02,520 23:04,520 [laughter]
23:04,520 23:08,520 Anyway, yeah, Amelia Earhart got eaten by crabs.
23:08,520 23:20,160 I’m just so shocked by that story. I’ve never heard of this crab theory. No, I started typing
23:20,160 23:21,160 crab theory.
23:21,160 23:25,160 No crab theory. Amelia Earhart coconut crabs. They’re huge.
23:25,160 23:32,760 Okay, well, I just control F’d on her Wikipedia article and there’s nothing about crab. So
23:32,760 23:35,680 this is a deep cut urban legend. So thank you for
23:35,680 23:37,680 No
23:37,680 23:46,400 That’s wild I’ve never heard of that before my life crabs crab theory
23:46,400 23:50,160 Not crab theory
23:50,160 23:52,160 That’s like the worst
23:52,160 23:57,440 On a fractured skeleton on an island that has been torn apart limb from him many believe
23:57,440 24:03,080 It is found the body of American aviation pioneer million air heart that should be torn apart by coconut crap
24:03,080 24:04,080 Good for them.
24:04,080 24:05,080 Good for the crabs?
24:05,080 24:10,120 Honestly, yes, this is the way they finally take revenge for the way we treat them.
24:10,120 24:11,120 Good for them.
24:11,120 24:12,480 How do we treat them?
24:12,480 24:14,380 Everything becomes crab.
24:14,380 24:15,960 We will all become crab.
24:15,960 24:16,960 Crab is life.
24:16,960 24:17,960 Life is crab.
24:17,960 24:18,960 We will all become a crab.
24:18,960 24:19,960 Love that for us.
24:19,960 24:20,960 Thank you.
24:20,960 24:21,960 All right, that was my…
24:21,960 24:22,960 End scene.
24:22,960 24:23,960 Okay, what’s another one?
24:23,960 24:24,960 Ankle slicing car thief.
24:24,960 24:25,960 I feel like that’s happened at least once.
24:25,960 24:26,960 There’s been at least one.
24:26,960 24:30,560 What’s another one ankle slicing car thief? I feel like that’s happened
24:30,560 24:35,440 At least once there’s been at least one person who hit under a car. The problem is
24:35,440 24:38,240 And this is something that a lot of movies get wrong
24:38,240 24:42,720 There’s not actually enough room under most cars for somebody to hide under
24:42,720 24:46,880 No, not unless you’re like a child. Yes children
24:46,880 24:49,440 Or if you have like really high
24:49,440 24:56,080 Wheels because you’re in like like a super large truck or something, which you know like under they kind of deserve it anyway
24:56,080 25:04,840 Wait, Annabelle was a Raggedy Ann doll?
25:04,840 25:05,840 Yeah.
25:05,840 25:06,840 I didn’t know that.
25:06,840 25:08,280 I only know the movie.
25:08,280 25:12,680 She was a, the real Annabelle is like that little redhead doll.
25:12,680 25:14,480 Yeah, I had no idea.
25:14,480 25:15,480 You think she really looks like that?
25:15,480 25:16,480 Do you think that inspired Chucky?
25:16,480 25:19,280 I just figured she was just a doll.
25:19,280 25:21,720 I didn’t know that she was specifically a Raggedy Ann doll.
25:21,720 25:22,720 Oh my god, Annabelle.
25:22,720 25:25,120 Wait, who was first, Annabelle or Chucky?
25:25,120 25:26,480 – Annabelle was definitely first.
25:26,480 25:27,320 – Okay.
25:27,320 25:28,960 – ‘Cause that was in like the 70s, right?
25:28,960 25:30,520 – Oh yeah.
25:30,520 25:35,080 With Elizabeth and Dude Warren.
25:35,080 25:35,920 – Yeah.
25:35,920 25:36,760 – I forgot his name.
25:36,760 25:37,600 (laughing)
25:37,600 25:38,440 – Dude Warren, yeah.
25:38,440 25:40,960 (laughing)
25:40,960 25:41,800 That’s his name.
25:41,800 25:42,720 – His name.
25:42,720 25:46,880 The guy.
25:46,880 25:48,440 – Dude Warren, that’s his name.
25:48,440 25:50,700 (laughing)
25:50,700 25:52,800 – Wait.
25:52,800 25:53,640 – I don’t understand.
25:53,640 25:55,000 – It’s like Elizabeth.
25:55,000 26:06,000 And I was just gonna go with it.
26:06,000 26:22,760 I’ve run out of steam on this topic.
26:22,760 26:23,920 That was great.
26:23,920 26:28,400 Now we’re talking about scary video games.
26:28,400 26:31,480 Every episode just ends in a video game corner.
26:31,480 26:37,840 Yeah, we were talking about it the other day and I really like talking about it and nobody
26:37,840 26:41,040 else knows what I’m talking about.
26:41,040 26:42,040 That’s fair.
26:42,040 26:48,520 That’s why you need to become our residential scary video game expert and get us all those
26:48,520 26:51,320 sweet sweet video gamer views.
26:51,320 26:53,320 I need to play them too.
26:53,320 26:54,760 Can we stream?
26:54,760 26:55,880